Correct - that's the only way you can judge it, based on the overall performance.
Unless you're @kirk55555
Unless you're @kirk55555
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No one would identify the guy with the green hair, white makeup all over his skin, purple outfits, and clown and poker card tattoos saying "Hahahahahahaha" as the Joker? What reality are you living in, Earth 55555?
No one would even identify this as The Joker if you took a picture of him to people who weren't aware of the Suicide Squad movie.
People thought every new incarnation of the Joker was terrible until they actually saw it on the big screen. I have no doubt this will be any different, especially given Leto's talents as an actor. It could turn out to be bad, of course, but there's no point being so ridiculously reactionary before we see the finished product. But then, being ridiculously reactionary is your thing, so you do you.
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Honestly, the Joker has been reinvented and changed so many times that there really is no one right Joker anymore. There's your favorite version, who is the right Joker for you, but that doesn't mean it's the right Joker for someone else. At this point I think this probably to most comic book characters.
Yes, Grant Morrison had as part of his Joker the view that he is continually reinterpreting himself and is constantly changing and adapting.
For the most part, I like what I'm seeing of the Joker so far. Looks like a good update.
Laugh while laying on a bed of knives, isnt something the Joker would do????? That qualifies as stupid? Please explain your reasoning.He laid in a pile of knives while laughing, which was pretty stupid. Also, clothes matter. If Superman flew around dressed like Vanilla Ice in the movies, no one would argue that it made any sense or fit the character. On the same token, this:
I'll echo what others have said and ask how a guy with green hair, white skin and a purple suit wouldn't be identified as the Joker.?
I'll put my 50 years of reading and seeing the Joker in various comics, films and TV series against your "years" any day of the week. Trust me this isn't the worst version, by a long shot.
Just out of curiosity, what would be your worst version? Most of my experience is with the classics, like Romero, Hamill, Nicholson, and Ledger.
This is kind of off topic, but I'm still disappointed we only got one episode of Brent Spiner in Young Justice. I thought that was brilliant casting, but he didn't really get a lot of material to work with there.
This is kind of off topic, but I'm still disappointed we only got one episode of Brent Spiner in Young Justice. I thought that was brilliant casting, but he didn't really get a lot of material to work with there.
Of course it was Morrison. I was tempted to say Morrison, but I wasn't sure. But really, who else would it have been, with an idea like that?
It does seem they're going with an urban/prison/trash vibe with this movie and the Joker seems to be a reflection of that. I'm willing to roll with it and see what it's like but I can see where some don't care for it. Hell, I have a pet peeve about that Damaged tattoo in particular which I don't care for at all.
You could name versions you think are worse, but that doesn't make you right or me wrong.
Also, in response to what a few others have said, I can see big similarities in every Joker from his first appearance, to the 60s TV show, to Jack Nicholson, to Mark Hamil, to Grant Morrison's Joker, all the way to the New 52 and most versions inbetween. Outside of an elseworlds story or two, or a bad cartoon, they all feel like Joker. Different variations, sometimes wildly different, but they all feel like a version of the same character. Sometimes lighter and less violent, sometimes darker and very violent. But, they all felt like they were variations of the same character. Ledger's Joker didn't, and he was a pretty terrible Joker, but at least he was a decent villain (just not remotely The Joker). Suicide Squad's Joker doesn't even have that. He looks stupid, his actor is a pretentious twit, and the writer/director seems to hate the character, and DC comics, in general.
In the end, its all opinion. I'm sure if I wait 15 years, DC will have another live action Joker, who will almost certainly be better. Until then, I'll hate this idiot, and other people will defend him.
Hey you're the one trying to claim some sort of expertise.
You haven't seen the film. The actor being a "pretentious twit" is irrelevant. He's an award winning actor, twit or not. His research into understanding the Joker's mindset sounds very professional and smart. There's no evidence, to my knowledge, the director hates the character or DC Comics.
Still waiting for something in the trailers that shows this take isn't the Joker any why.
I've given a bunch of reasons, and obviously you won't accept any, so it seems pointless to go over it again
All you mentioned was a bed of knives.I've given a bunch of reasons, and obviously you won't accept any, so it seems pointless to go over it again
And his attire, how he looks (stupid tattoos and metal teeth), how the actor is basically practicing how to not be the Joker, etc. Nothing you'll agree with, and I'm fairly certain you'll say those aren't reasons (even though they are). I've said a lot about it, I don't have much else to add.
I'll ask it again, give me an example from something the character does in the trailer that shows the character is not the Joker, Not the costume. Not the tattoos, Actual words and actions. What is the actor doing in the film that shows he's "practicing how to not be the Joker". You may not like his process, but that hardly means he's going to do a bad job. Back up your hyperbolic hysteria with actual evidence.
He's a Joker for the 21st century.