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How would a society with no money work?

The only people we see 'needing' money or using it are either not federation citizens
What about Picard? On Risa (a Federation Member) he required money to purchase a statue, and someone on Risa took his money in exchange for the statue that they were selling.
... or are operating outside the federation, as in the two examples you mention.
Okay, Quark was at Earth, he was leaving Earth for a destination. How exactly was Quark "outside" the Federation at the beginning of his journey? Someone in our star system took his money and in return provided passage.
Qualor II would seem to be a Federation planet. What interesting is when the piano player solicits a tip/bribe from Riker, he says he doesn't carry money, not that money doesn't exist. I do believe that Federation money (or Member money) is mostly electronic financial exchanges, and usually isn't physical money.
Why would a piano player on earth need tips?
To help support themselves, not everyone is going to want to live on government handouts.
Nothing is bought with money
We see people buying or having bought things on the show.
Theres not much call for swordsmithing or armoursmithing these days, so they have become hobbies
There are many stores and websites that sell swords (for money). Everything from twenty dollar knock-offs through swords that sell for tens of thousands of dollars. The volume is less than centuries past, but the trade in swords continues.
Now extrapolate all of that to a future where money and wealth does not buy you any advantage at all over anyone else ...
We know that with enough money you can buy planets in the future.

An luxury condo here in Miami can go for over fifty million dollars. Some locations are more desirable, more prestigious, more expensive than others, who get's it?
... not abstract numbers in your bank or the size of your house. Because those things are meaningless.
To some people most likely, but others on Earth will want the better house or the sizable bank account. Why? Because billions of people are not going to be exactly the same.

So some might just want to labor for free, to live up to their own lifestyle. But some other entity is going to have to support them, governemnt, society, family, someone.

Others (on Earth) will labor for the next paycheck, again not everyone is going to want assistance. They'll make their own way, and maybe feel pride for having done so.
 
What about Picard? On Risa (a Federation Member) he required money to purchase a statue, and someone on Risa took his money in exchange for the statue that they were selling.Okay, Quark was at Earth, he was leaving Earth for a destination. How exactly was Quark "outside" the Federation at the beginning of his journey? Someone in our star system took his money and in return provided passage.
Qualor II would seem to be a Federation planet. What interesting is when the piano player solicits a tip/bribe from Riker, he says he doesn't carry money, not that money doesn't exist. I do believe that Federation money (or Member money) is mostly electronic financial exchanges, and usually isn't physical money.To help support themselves, not everyone is going to want to live on government handouts.We see people buying or having bought things on the show.There are many stores and websites that sell swords (for money). Everything from twenty dollar knock-offs through swords that sell for tens of thousands of dollars. The volume is less than centuries past, but the trade in swords continues.We know that with enough money you can buy planets in the future.

An luxury condo here in Miami can go for over fifty million dollars. Some locations are more desirable, more prestigious, more expensive than others, who get's it?To some people most likely, but others on Earth will want the better house or the sizable bank account. Why? Because billions of people are not going to be exactly the same.

So some might just want to labor for free, to live up to their own lifestyle. But some other entity is going to have to support them, governemnt, society, family, someone.

Others (on Earth) will labor for the next paycheck, again not everyone is going to want assistance. They'll make their own way, and maybe feel pride for having done so.

Am just on quickly so forgive me for my uncharacteristically short incomplete answers...that and it's been suggested we are prodding necrotic unicorns.

Quark is not a federation citizen, and therefore may have to book passage.

Risa is a resort, may resorts are 'all inclusive' now and accept beads as a rwprestation of payment for something you have already paid for (or Disney dollars)
It is likely this is part of the traditions of Risa, and just falls under the hobbyist approach elsewhere.
Qualor 2 is clearly not exactly a federation world, because people can be shot and killed with no investigation. They respect starfleet authority because it's backed up by a sodding great starship and they probably don't want every stone uncovered in investigations. (it's not exactly gunboat diplomacy, that's probably the Klingon approach.) It's very similar to DS9.
The attitude to 'government handouts' differs wildly on earth now across countries, and its a fundamentally different kind of world we see in Star Trek, a different kind of humanity as we are different from those a few centuries ago now. Different governments, different people. No resources to fight over, a land of plenty, even less need for Pac Man high score salaries than there is now.
Access to fresh water is hardly seen as a government handout now...in the future access to everything you need and a great many of the things you can ever want is as simple as turning on the tap...so why would such things be handouts to be avoided with pride? Even then you get people like Robert Picard who reject many of those things to work with their own two hands....it's the fact that they really don't have to that makes it basically some serious deep lifestyle hobby.
That line between ' using things within the federation for federation citizen' and 'trading outside the federation, or for a non federation citizen inside the federation for certain things' seems to be there in the show over and over (we don't even know that Risa is a federation world, it certainly has non federation races as standard visitors, even if it's just sort of allied races like the ferengi later become)

The whole point of Trek is that mankind's attitudes have changed radically, because behaving like we did nearly wiped us out. And then we found out there are other people in the galaxy. Why would a race descended from a people whose standard thinking nearly got everyone killed continue to follow those old behaviour patterns, and worse, export them into a galaxy where we are at least initially the smallest fish in the pond?
That's sort of the point underlying it all.

There are groups now calling for an end to work, a set income for all, and increased automation, so that the traditional need to work can be done away with (which was always supposed to be the point in technological advances anyway....allegedly.)
Now, they may be mad as March hares, but the fact such concepts exist now (and even earlier in older societies) suggests that it is in fact perfectly plausible for Treks no-money future to exist.

One of the biggest problems of today is that we have borderline star trek tech...but not trek people using it.
 
I should also throw in that it is literally against quarks religion not to pay for something, even if his religion is also about making sure you get paid for everything.
 
I should also throw in that it is literally against quarks religion not to pay for something, even if his religion is also about making sure you get paid for everything.
I say the opposite, if Quark could have returned to DS9 without paying for passage, he would have jumped at the chance. In Let He Who Is Without Sin, Quark malnuvered his way on to Worf and Jadzia's runabout, rather than paying for his own transportation.

Quark paid for passage at the end of Little Green Men, because that's how you get around in the Federation, Bajor is at the edge of the Federation,
 
I say the opposite, if Quark could have returned to DS9 without paying for passage, he would have jumped at the chance. In Let He Who Is Without Sin, Quark malnuvered his way on to Worf and Jadzia's runabout, rather than paying for his own transportation.

Quark paid for passage at the end of Little Green Men, because that's how you get around in the Federation, Bajor is at the edge of the Federation,

But not in the federation..and let's be fair, odo was stuck too so there's no way starfleet wasn't going to fly them back. Quark was likely avoiding an investigation or didn't want to wait for the bus. And as I said, he isn't a federation citizen.

Picard saying there isn't any money and people are different now us an important plot point from a main character in a film, Quark buying a ride home is a throw away line at the end of an episode. I know which would carry more weight for me.
 
But not in the federation..and let's be fair, odo was stuck too so there's no way starfleet wasn't going to fly them back. Quark was likely avoiding an investigation or didn't want to wait for the bus. And as I said, he isn't a federation citizen.
If everything in the Federation is free, why would Quark being a noncitizen be relevant? A society that makes no use of money would do what with Quark's money once they had it?
 
Picard saying there isn't any money
This is the same Picard who said that Starfleet isn't a military organization, not everything Picard says lines up with the majority of information which is presented over the course of the show.
 
This is the same Picard who said that Starfleet isn't a military organization, not everything Picard says lines up with the majority of information which is presented over the course of the show.

It may surprise you, but I am of the opinion that starfleet is not a military organisation. Ex Atris Scientia
 
If everything in the Federation is free, why would Quark being a noncitizen be relevant? A society that makes no use of money would do what with Quark's money once they had it?

Presumably use it in trade with ferengi or whoever else accepts the currency. And everything is free to federation citizens (basic food shelter and medical treatment is likely free to all at point of use as well, it seems that way. Though the shelter would be temporary unless asylum or citizenship is sought.) but not non federation members except through invitation....Otherwise the other empires would fall as every last person legged it into the federation.
I think most of this would work nd certainly works well enough for the show's mythology, and is logical.
 
It may surprise you, but I am of the opinion that starfleet is not a military organisation
In the episode Peak Performance (in which Picard said "Starfleet is not a military organisation") Starfleet ordered the Enterprise to engage in a war game exercise. Why would a non-military vessel be involved in a military training exercise, where the a non-military vessel engages in attacks upon an opponent and fires weapons ?

And if Starfleet were in fact not a "military organization," then why don't they clear out of the way when wars occur?

Regardless of Picard's rather clueless statement, Starfleet is the Federation's military, the people whose primary duty is offense and defense. When they're not carrying out their primary mission, they conduct other secondary activities, responding to emergencies, exploration, research, diplomacy, et cetera.
 
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Starfleet is not a military organisation, this is why its traditions are based on Western European naval ones, has court martials when staff fall out of line and when the Federation is at war or needs defending it calls for the boy scout organisation instead of Starfleet. (yeah sarcasm... I love it). If ST promoted Starfleet as 'we are not just a military organisation' I would buy that, but the 'we are not military, we are explorers'...well when the Dominion invaded the Alpha quadrant why was Captain Sisko so involved, all he had to do was call The Federation Naval defence force...
STID Scotty 'I thought we were explorers'..so why is your title Commander Scott?
 
Trek was influenced by westerns. You don't go into the frontier unarmed. Same to an extent for explorers on ships in the days of yore.
Do you explore, then call and wait six months for help, or make sure you can look after yourself?

Ex Astris Scientia is the motto, between that and every last captain nd others describing themselves as explorers not soldiers says it all. Ymmv. Some like the pew pew, some like the other stuff.
 
In Westerns the Calvary was used in the USA and expected to defend the frontier, the US civil war was between two standing armies as well as conscripts, not a bunch of professional explorers. I don't care what the characters said they were, they acted as a military force, the organisation was set up as a military force, they were a military force, who else fought in the different wars portrayed in the tv shows and movies? When The Federation needed defending they called Starfleet, in RL if the USA needs defending it uses the armed forces not professional astronauts.
 
In Westerns the Calvary was used in the USA and expected to defend the frontier, the US civil war was between two standing armies as well as conscripts, not a bunch of professional explorers. I don't care what the characters said they were, they acted as a military force, the organisation was set up as a military force, they were a military force, who else fought in the different wars portrayed in the tv shows and movies? When The Federation needed defending they called Starfleet, in RL if the USA needs defending it uses the armed forces not professional astronauts.

Then every federation character, including the captains was either lying or an idiot. And I thought the cavalry were only called when you needed them and turn up at the last minute according to tradition?
This whole time, the Klingons were the goodies?

As I said, ymmv, but I prefer to think our heroes spoke the truth.
 
How do you get from my reply that the 'Klingons were the goodies' by my point that Starfleet is used to defend the Federation just like any nation's state armed forces in real life? English not your forte?
And yes the characters are/were quoting the illogical words of script writers who did not think these things through. There is no 'truth' to speak only a script that cocked up.
 
Ever heard of the Falkland's war, when the task force went to fight the Argentinian army it was a convoy full of explorers right, just like the fictional Starfleet.
 
Anyway back to the question I really have no idea how a society would function without money unless everyone has a replicator, even if there is no suggestion it is a universal device. (Humanity must be using some form of monetary means of exchange since the replicator is a 24th century invention). Makes as much sense as having a galactic Federation of planets relying on a professional 'we are not the military' for its defence and to fight its wars since it has no standing armed forces.
 
How do you get from my reply that the 'Klingons were the goodies' by my point that Starfleet is used to defend the Federation just like any nation's state armed forces in real life? English not your forte?
And yes the characters are/were quoting the illogical words of script writers who did not think these things through. There is no 'truth' to speak only a script that cocked up.

Because the Klingons were never dishonest, (well, thinking about it...they probably were tbh) or more accurately, if the hero characters are lying about themselves, then they are no longer hero characters.
 
[QUOTE="Griffeytrek, post: 11537582, member: 70219"his is why the loss of Praxis was so devastating to the Klingons. [/QUOTE]

No it was devastating to the Klingons becuase the explosion royally fucked up their homeworld. Every time the bad situation the Klingons were in came up it was about how Kronos was polluted and had to be evacuated, not becuase their ships were running out gas.
 
Ever heard of the Falkland's war, when the task force went to fight the Argentinian army it was a convoy full of explorers right, just like the fictional Starfleet.

That would be a military taskforce, and the royal navy describes itself as what it is, as presumably does starfleet.

The logic applied here, would make Picard an Englishman.
 
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