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Star Wars: The Force Awakens Reviews (SPOILER-FREE THREAD)

^Was this the legendary "Phantom Edit"? I would love to see that.

No it's a different one. Though it's possible it's made by one of those guys(I think 2 guys made that one).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfQBdRcgizc

That's the one I was referring to. He did the entire trilogy as well.

That was... not bad. Still not a great movie, but definitely more streamlined and better paced. I almost feel like they cut too much out. The Trade Federation arresting Padme should have been included, because Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan rescuing her later seems out of the blue with out it, and some of Anakin and Padme's bonding should have been left in just so his attachment to her in Ep. 2 doesn't seem so out of the blue. The Gungan celebration parade at the end was fine, no need to cut it out. People are dancing and celebrating. They are supposed to be acting weird.
 
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OK, the above "Anti-Cheese Edition" was not bad, but the "Mature Edition" is much, much better.* It addresses all of my issue above about too much getting cut out, restores two segments that the "Anti-Cheese Edition" excised completely (The visit to Gunga City and Padme's assault on the Naboo throne room and apprehension of the Viceroy) with appropriate editing and still comes in under two hours, including John Williams closing score.

It doesn't completely eliminate Ahmad Best's performance as Jar Jar as the "Anti-Cheese edition" does (nor the Neimoidians), but Jar Jar's role is so minimized that it's not an issue. There are a few things I still would have excised ("There's always a bigger fish.", Midichlorians, "Now this is podracing!"), but it's still a much better cut of TPM than any other I've ever seen. In fact, I actually... enjoyed it. Not OT level enjoyment, but enjoyable nonetheless.

*Yes, I watched two fan edits of The Phantom Menace in one day. It wasn't as bad as it sounds as the really bad stuff (Most of Jar Jar's dialogue, the two-headed announcer at the podrace, etc) was excised from both.
 
lol I commend your commitment to research. I have to give myself a buffer. I'm just glad he cut out the "I truly.... deeply... love you" line from Clones.
 
lol I commend your commitment to research. I have to give myself a buffer. I'm just glad he cut out the "I truly.... deeply... love you" line from Clones.

Ha! You're welcome. As it was a cold, icy, snowy day today, I decided to reacquaint myself with the other prequels by way of the "Mature Editions" today.

His AotC cut also (thankfully) cut out the line you mentioned and replaced all of the cringe-worthy stuff between Padme and Anakin on Naboo with deleted scenes where we meet Padme's family, and it works much better.

His RotS cut out all sight and mention of Anakin killing younglings, but according to the comments, he's going to restore those segments after seeing TFA and Rey's Force vision.
In fact, he inserted deleted scenes into all three movies, and still brought them all in at under two hours. The scenes in RotS where Bail Organa, Mon Mothma, Padme and a few others meet to discuss creating what will eventually become the Rebel Alliance were very cool.
 
So I caught a matinee today and got my 3rd viewing in 2d, and at an older theater circa the 70's. I have to say I found it much more enjoyable than my imax experiences in my previous viewings. The 2D along with the old theater with sticky floors really pumped up that nostalgia.

I really enjoyed it. On my list this was the 4th best Star Wars film, and it still is. But there was always something off for me. And I was nit picking certain scenes/dialogue/editing to figure out what it was, but now with this 3rd viewing I think I finally nailed what was off for me...

What I disliked about this movie is not having time to breath, and I attributed that to the constant action, simple narrative, and logical inconsistencies. But ANH has that, and I forgive that movie for it. But I couldn't forgive this one for it, and I couldn't decide why. So after my 3rd viewing, I really noticed that the scores tempo was what bothered me. It created a sense of immediacy throughout the entire film. Even the scenes which were supposed to have emotional resonance had the tempo of an action scene. Don't get me wrong, Williams is brilliant, and the cues were all magnificent, but the tempo just pushed this movie along so quickly it makes it very difficult to absorb what's going on.

Compare the han/leia scoring in TFA with the han/leia scoring in ROTJ and I swear it's like 2x faster. So even though they're talking about their kid who turned to the dark side, I feel like a bunch of storm troopers are about to pop out somewhere.

That's just my impression anyway. I felt like if I were to watch ANH with the score playing at 1.25x speed, it would be TFA.

And that unfocused tracking shot in Maz's bar still annoys the hell out of me.
 
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And that unfocused tracking shot in Maz's bar still annoys the hell out of me.

Yeah... At first I had thought it was a 3D thing, but no, it was the same way in 2D.
 
I'm so sorry guys.. I know I may be in a small (yet growing) Minority, but I thought Star Wars TFA sucked! I would rather be kidnapped, forced to chop off my own foot and eat it then to be dragged back to watch that Rehash and unimaginative POS ever again.
 
I'm so sorry guys.. I know I may be in a small (yet growing) Minority, but I thought Star Wars TFA sucked! I would rather be kidnapped, forced to chop off my own foot and eat it then to be dragged back to watch that Rehash and unimaginative POS ever again.
Anger leads to hate. Hate ... leads to suffering.
 
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I'm so sorry guys.. I know I may be in a small (yet growing) Minority, but I thought Star Wars TFA sucked! I would rather be kidnapped, forced to chop off my own foot and eat it then to be dragged back to watch that Rehash and unimaginative POS ever again.

That's nice.

I'm going to go watch it four more times between now and next month.

Kor
 
Well, I watched it again, and while I might have liked it a tick better on the scale, it's still not a great movie by any stretch of the imagination. David Brin chimed in again recently:

Nothing is more winning and charming... and despair-worthy... than this image of Mark Hamill riding the back of a doughty and strong and fiercely impressive (!) Daisy Ridley, in a pose reminiscent of Luke Skywalker's tutelage under that vile green gnome, Yoda. Why despair-worthy? Because it is emblematic of the stunning lack of imaginative verve not only of the creators of the third trilogy, but its zealous fans.

Oh sure, I kinda liked The Force Wakens for its characterizations (JJ Abrams is brilliant at that vital element) and color and lack of evil lucasian messages. But everyone instantly saw that its plot was a tiresomely slavish and unnecessary utter remake of Ep IV A New Hope. Yet, instead of merely enjoying it, but with a polite-apropos yawn, people actually kvelled! Why?

Now? All signs suggest that Episode VIII will slavishly remake the excellent Empire Strikes Back. Truly. Making me ask: Is no one furious that they wrote a story arc in which Luke Skywalker - instead of learning from the horrific blunders of his "masters" - deliberately and knowingly repeats every single blunder committed by both Yoda and Obiwan, down to every last detail?

Oh, sure, dear sweet Luke was always a dim bulb, like falling for it when Yoda fakes his "death" (to avoid answering Luke's questions.) But THAT dim? To recreate an isolated Jedi Order that puts all its eggs in one basket, then lets an emotionally ditzy "apprentice" kill all the children. Followed by the master throwing up his hands and going into exile, instead of facing his duty to clean up the mess he made? If this is what Jedi masters do, EVERY single time? Then make the order extinct!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...a.511631259726.2015064.3501412&type=3&theater
 
What exactly are the "signs" that "suggest that Episode VIII will slavishly remake" ESB?

Kor
 
There aren't any. It's just bullshit, like everything else Brin spews out. This is a guy who claimed Yoda lied to Luke ( even though it never happened ) and, shocker, now he's claiming Yoda refused to answer Luke's questions ( more bullshit ).
 
Speaking of spoiler free, I watched the Blu Rey with my friend last week. She hadn't seen the movie and she didn't know about the shocking spoiler. She gasped with shock. Afterwards I was like, HOW COULD YOU NOT HAVE BEEN SPOILED BY NOW????
 
I get the feeling Brin just doesn't like Star Wars in general. Where does this idea that Yoda faked his death, and lied to Luke come from? I've honestly never heard anything like that before.
I also have no idea what evidence there is that VIIII will be as close to ESB as TFA was to A New Hope. The pictures I saw from Croatia actually looked like nothing anything we've seen in Star Wars before. There was nothing there that reminded me even slightly of ESB. I could maybe see a scene playing out similar to one in ESB if the rumors about Rey are true, but even if it did the actual scene would probably be the complete opposite of the ESB scene.
The only thing that comes to mind was Mark Hamill on Daisy Ridley's back, but that was just them goofing off during their down time, not a production photo.
 
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