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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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Hold the presses people! The definition of 'fan film' now includes multi-million dollar, officially produced movies made by the holders of the intellectual property.
Did one of them actually say that? I don't have time to watch the video right now, so I can't see for myself.
 
Did one of them actually say that? I don't have time to watch the video right now, so I can't see for myself.
Yeah Alec did.

J.J. Abrams is a Star Wars fan and because of this he claims that Episode VII is a fan film. The only problem with this 'belief' is that fan films are made by fans out of an appreciation of a particular franchise not by the source's copyright holders or original creators.
 
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A conversation with Doe-vid Gerrold by Alec Peters?
Mr. "I have no dog in this fight..." spouts nonsense again - big surprise. Personally I am amazed that with a pending litigation in process -Alec Peters CONTINUES to talk about 'Axanar'. The man (supposedly an 'attorney by training'); seems oblivious to the fact that this all demonstrates a willful pattern of actions (in this case copyright infringement) - and should he receive a Judgement against him - everything he's said and done can be brought up in the 'damages' phase and have an effect on how much of a damages award C/P will receive. I can't believe how utterly stupid Mr. Peters is with regard to his overall response to being a plaintiff in a major lawsuit - where all the evidence to date CLEARLY SHOWS he has infringed on Star Trek copyrighted material. It boggles the mind.
 
Mr. "I have no dog in this fight..." spouts nonsense again - big surprise. Personally I am amazed that with a pending litigation in process -Alec Peters CONTINUES to talk about 'Axanar'. The man (supposedly an 'attorney by training'); seems oblivious to the fact that this all demonstrates a willful pattern of actions (in this case copyright infringement) - and should he receive a Judgement against him - everything he's said and done can be brought up in the 'damages' phase and have an effect on how much of a damages award C/P will receive. I can't believe how utterly stupid Mr. Peters is with regard to his overall response to being a plaintiff in a major lawsuit - where all the evidence to date CLEARLY SHOWS he has infringed on Star Trek copyrighted material. It boggles the mind.

He'll just file for bankruptcy again if things don't break his way.
 
He'll just file for bankruptcy again if things don't break his way.
There's a thought like that going around in my mind too!

Actually, considering what has been discussed elsewhere in this thread about Propworx, I have a question. As has been mentioned before, if he loses, his credability in Trek fan circles should be zero. But how big is the prop collection fan base compared to the general Trek fan base? Probably a difficult figure to accurately establish, but it would be interesting to know.

Obviously, from earlier links, there is probably a knowledgable part of the prop fan base that know how dodgy some of Propworx dealings were alledgedly. So, if he went back to that, could he conceivedly continue as before?
 
There's a thought like that going around in my mind too!

Actually, considering what has been discussed elsewhere in this thread about Propworx, I have a question. As has been mentioned before, if he loses, his credability in Trek fan circles should be zero. But how big is the prop collection fan base compared to the general Trek fan base? Probably a difficult figure to accurately establish, but it would be interesting to know.

Obviously, from earlier links, there is probably a knowledgable part of the prop fan base that know how dodgy some of Propworx dealings were alledgedly. So, if he went back to that, could he conceivedly continue as before?

My sense is Madoff Investment Securities could run an auction "from the estate of William Shatner", and if Mr. Shatner certified it and offered evidence of provenance for the items, I think there would be plenty of buyers for the items.

Perhaps the real question would be whether sellers (insiders or collectors) would feel that other auction houses would be more likely to create a better return for their items, given the publicity that may accrue to PropWorx.

It might also be interesting to watch the fate of the PropWorx auction at the 50th. It might be contracted and not cancelable by the convention, but if it were cancelled, that might have an impact.
 
So, are you suggesting that when CBS made the TV show, for example, LIMITLESS based off the movie, they did not need to buy the rights from the movie production company??? And wasn't that movie based on a book? So to further the logic, one doesn't need permission from an author to turn his or her book into a movie or TV show.

In Trek's case, it's being licensed by CBS to Paramount to make the movies.

Kor
 
Mr. "I have no dog in this fight..." spouts nonsense again - big surprise. Personally I am amazed that with a pending litigation in process -Alec Peters CONTINUES to talk about 'Axanar'. The man (supposedly an 'attorney by training'); seems oblivious to the fact that this all demonstrates a willful pattern of actions (in this case copyright infringement) - and should he receive a Judgement against him - everything he's said and done can be brought up in the 'damages' phase and have an effect on how much of a damages award C/P will receive. I can't believe how utterly stupid Mr. Peters is with regard to his overall response to being a plaintiff in a major lawsuit - where all the evidence to date CLEARLY SHOWS he has infringed on Star Trek copyrighted material. It boggles the mind.
I haven't watched the video yet, but I'm thinking I don't really need to be in a hurry.

From what I've read here about the conversation, it just tells me that Lord Axahat is not listening to his pro bono legal team's advice* to STFU. Surely, he must be thinking, his training as an attorney makes him a much better judge of appropriate behavior than those who work for him.

*If W&S have not advised AP & Co-conspirators to STFU, in my opinion they must be incompetent or just trying to lose.
 
In Trek's case, it's being licensed by CBS to Paramount to make the movies
You missed the point. The poster suggested that Paramount, being a movie studio, has no say in what happens on a TV show. Perhaps I needed to lay the sarcasm on thicker.
 
Someone told me that he had announced in the Star Trek Prop and Costume forum that his collection was now owned or controlled by a trust, and that he would be selling much of it off. This was a few weeks ago I think.

None of that surprises me. I predicted before page 300 that he'd be squirreling away all his assets, and just dragging the whole thing out to take in more money for the film that he knows will never be made. He seems delusional, but he has a plan, and he moved on from Axanar mentally the day he was served. IMHO :angel:
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So if this is true, and its his right to move his assets around, it is just idiotic to announce it.
 
I'm sure one could be made for that amount. It would just look like shit.
To be fair, wasn't the film District 9 filmed for about that amount?

But you're right, a Star Trek film these days couldn't match the now established look of the 23rd Century, lens flares and all!;)
 
There's a thought like that going around in my mind too!

Actually, considering what has been discussed elsewhere in this thread about Propworx, I have a question. As has been mentioned before, if he loses, his credability in Trek fan circles should be zero. But how big is the prop collection fan base compared to the general Trek fan base? Probably a difficult figure to accurately establish, but it would be interesting to know.

Obviously, from earlier links, there is probably a knowledgable part of the prop fan base that know how dodgy some of Propworx dealings were alledgedly. So, if he went back to that, could he conceivedly continue as before?

The prop collectors are a tiny fraction of fans, as it is an expensive hobby - especially Trek props. Alec is still able to put out well attended auctions, but even before the Axanar debacle Propworx went bankrupt so it's not clear if it is a viable business model. It may be kept alive purely by the discounted rent it's getting in the werehouse.
 
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There's a thought like that going around in my mind too!

Actually, considering what has been discussed elsewhere in this thread about Propworx, I have a question. As has been mentioned before, if he loses, his credability in Trek fan circles should be zero. But how big is the prop collection fan base compared to the general Trek fan base? Probably a difficult figure to accurately establish, but it would be interesting to know.

Obviously, from earlier links, there is probably a knowledgable part of the prop fan base that know how dodgy some of Propworx dealings were alledgedly. So, if he went back to that, could he conceivedly continue as before?

The prop collecting base is small. Passionate but very small.
 
There's a thought like that going around in my mind too!

Actually, considering what has been discussed elsewhere in this thread about Propworx, I have a question. As has been mentioned before, if he loses, his credability in Trek fan circles should be zero.

People have short memories. TrekUnited was brought down a decade ago, but a year or so later, people were back getting screwed out of FedCon USA.
 
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