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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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BoredShipCapt'n said:
Hey, just noticed something:

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He's a DreamWorks character!
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Ironic, being that he's really more of a nightmare who doesn't, you know, work.
 
Guys, there's already a song about Axanar and it was featured famously in the musical Chicago:

BAILIFF
Mr. Peters, his Honor is here

ALEC PETERS
Thank you. Just a moment. You ready?

ROBERT MEYER BURNETT
Oh Alec, I'm scared.

ALEC PETERS
Rob, you got nothing to worry about.
It's all a circus, kid. A three-ring circus.
These trials - the whole world - all show business.
But kid, you're working with a star, the biggest! You may not know this, but I'm an attorney...


Anyway... here's the song, all about Alec Peters and his whole schtick with Axanar. Literally, word for word, unchanged:

Give 'em the old razzle dazzle,
Razzle dazzle 'em!
Give 'em an act with lots of flash in it
And the reaction will be passionate!
Give 'em the old hocus-pocus
Bead and feather 'em!
How can they see with sequins in their eyes?

What if your hinges
All are rusting?
What if, in fact,
You're just disgusting?

Razzle dazzle 'em,
And they'll never catch wise!

Give 'em the old Razzle Dazzle,
Razzle dazzle 'em!
Give 'em a show that's so splendiferous
Row after row will crow vociferous!

Give 'em the old flim-flam flummox
Fool and fracture 'em!
How can they hear the truth above the roar?

Throw 'em a fake and a finagle
They'll never know you're just a bagel,
Razzle dazzle 'em,
And they'll beg you for more!

Give 'em the old double whammy
Daze and dizzy 'em!
Back since the days of old Methuselah
Everyone loves the big bambooz-a-ler

Give 'em the old three-ring circus
Stun and stagger 'em!
When you're in trouble, go into your dance!

Though you are stiffer than a girder,
They'll let you get away with murder!
Razzle dazzle 'em,
And you've got a romance!

Give 'em the old Razzle Dazzle...
Razzle dazzle 'em!
Show 'em the first rate-sorcerer you are!

Long as you keep 'em way off balance,
How can they spot you've got no talent?

Razzle Dazzle 'em...
Razzle Dazzle 'em...
Razzle Dazzle 'em...
And they'll make you a star!

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Karzak said:
The problem being of course, that Alec Peters is nowhere near as clever - or charming - as Billy Flynn.
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given the intransigence on the case, perhaps another Chicago anthem?
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Well, if we're doing songs... Let's pull this one up on the shuttlecraft computer:

My Axanar is a soaring film
Much better than a J.J. turd
Our legalistic team will be ready to resist
A dictatorial word

Our carpet's cool and our screens are green
Tony Todd's a jerk who is also mean
Our script is locked except for when it's not
And our coffee sales increase our ever-growing money pot

Trek belongs to fans and not CBS
Their heads should be shamefully hung
We never will bow down to those Loeb/Loeb clowns
Or the tang of judicial tongue

We work for free (minus my salary!)
We're not profit (when we get to it)
We'll be okay (but donors are screwed!)
While you haters all show me your bad attitude
 
Admiral Cain said:
Alec's history of collecting a large amount of very valuable props could be of interest to C/P should there be significant damages awarded. I'm guessing they comprise the bulk of his net worth at this point, and may well be worth far more than the studio assets.
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Someone told me that he had announced in the Star Trek Prop and Costume forum that his collection was now owned or controlled by a trust, and that he would be selling much of it off. This was a few weeks ago I think.

None of that surprises me. I predicted before page 300 that he'd be squirreling away all his assets, and just dragging the whole thing out to take in more money for the film that he knows will never be made. He seems delusional, but he has a plan, and he moved on from Axanar mentally the day he was served. IMHO :angel:
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Lynsioux said:
Someone told me that he had announced in the Star Trek Prop and Costume forum that his collection was now owned or controlled by a trust, and that he would be selling much of it off. This was a few weeks ago I think.
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Not knowing any of the specifics of the transfer at hand, I would think that C/P - if it even cared that much - might challenge the transfer as a fraudulent conveyance (a conveyance done with the intent to defraud creditors, including potential creditors in litigation) depending on when the transfer occurred (i.e., before or after notice of the lawsuit) and other circumstances surrounding the conveyance. Some factors the courts look at to determine this intent include (i) whether the transfer was for fair market value (not sure how this would work in a trust situation); (ii) whether there was a lawsuit pending or threatened at the time of the transfer, (iii) whether the debtor retained possession or control of the property transferred after the transfer, and (iv) whether the transfer made the debtor insolvent (unable to pay the judgment). (A similar analysis would apply if the debtor made the transfer in an effort to shield these assets from bankruptcy, such as the bankruptcy one would file for protection against a judgment from litigation.)

Again, I have no idea about the circumstances of the transfer in Alec's case (or if it in fact even happened, or how long ago) - I'm just noting this would be one avenue that any plaintiff would investigate if they get a money judgment and the defendant claims he doesn't have assets to cover the judgment or files bankruptcy.

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He may able to save his ass financially... AGAIN,
but how on Earth will he be able to save face regarding his Donors, the Axafold, future conventions?

Would that be possible? That (next year) another Linnear, Loken, Red Omega, GarthOfIzar would arise like a Phoenix... AGAIN? Selling Props?
 
Well, fortunately the Internet rarely forgets anything. There's been enough of a stink made about all this that if Peters tries this shtick again, there's more than ample evidence to point to about why he's just (literally) bad news.
 
One of the things I enjoyed about the Plaintiff's response is that it passed the "smell test." The language was clear and understandable, the arguments were structured in a logical fashion, it was written to be understood.
The defense's arguments have been opaque, almost as if they are trying to bury the issue under so many unrelated arguments that they will confuse or irritate the judge into hand waving the case away just so he isn't bothered anymore.
Reading the response from a layman's perspective the Plaintiff's clear argument was quite refreshing after having had to sort through pages of junk in the 2nd MtD.
 
Right? It's amazing that Peters thinks that this kind of alleged sleight of hand (and I use the term extremely generously, lol) will work.
 
Karzak said:
Right? It's amazing that Peters thinks that this kind of alleged sleight of hand (and I use the term extremely generously, lol) will work.
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It's not so much Peters, as it is his Lawyers... and they are just grasping at straws I think, drawing this out as long as possible, to create time for settlement negotiations before stuff gets expensive with Discovery....
 
I think their strategy right now is just to be as annoying as possible. Delay as long as possible. Try to get on as many blogs and podcasts as possible. Try to get CBS to deal with things like the Justin Lin tweet as much as possible. Trying to get CBS to settle before the new movie opens up along side human intrest articles about CBS suing the fans. Axanar would love this to be going on when Beyond comes out.

Of course they're missing one big point. CBS doesn't care. Axanar is only a topic of discussion amongst those of us who are also discussing "Star Trek Raven" and "Pacific 201" And only because we've beat the KBoP size discussion to death years ago. Look at how CBS dealt with the Justin Lin tweet. That was probably the biggest egg in the face moment for CBS. In the end no matter what Axanar thinks they won't be a black eye for CBS and CBS still has no reason to settle.
 
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