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Another Re-watching DS9 thread (spoilers)

I probably did miss commenting on this one, but I think it's an essential episode. Odo is one of my favorite characters, as is Kira, and this is another one that somehow I've missed in my multiple viewings of almost every other episode of the show. There are some episodes that I've seen maybe 6-8 times, but somehow this was like a dream come true: a brand-new (for me) DS9 episode that was quite good.

The whole photography and feel of it makes it like a futuristic noir. The moral ambiguity of the episode throughout was thought-provoking. It's great to see how Odo got the job. A very strong episode. I'd probably give it an "A."

Can't believe I missed this one!

Anyone else have comments about this one? What a contrast with TNG.
My favorite of Season 2. It explores the same ground as Duet, but using a hybrid of noir and humor that is really unexpected. It's also essentially a DS9 origin story. Great acting from everyone, but Grodenchick deserves extra kudos for his comedic timing.
 
I felt at one point they were making a subtle nod to Columbo. It was almost a "just one more thing" moment, or something like that.
 
Second Sight.....

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Probably the worst episode of the second season. I'd give it a D-.
 
My rating so far....

DS9's first season
Emissary: A-
Past Prologue: B+
A Man Alone: B-
Babel: B-
Captive Pursuit: B+
Q-Less: C-
Dax: C-
The Passenger: C+
Move Along Home: C-
The Nagus: B-
Vortex: B+
Battle Lines: C+
The Storyteller: D+
Progress: B
If Wishes Were Horses: D+
The Forsaken: D+
Dramatis Personae: C+
Duet: A+
In the Hands of the Prophets: A+

DS9's second season
The Homecoming: A+
The Circle: A+
The Siege: A+
Invasive Procedures: C+
Cardassians: B
Melora: C-
Rules of Acquisition: B-
Necessary Evil: A-
Second Sight: D
Sanctuary: C
Rivals: C-
The Alternate: B-
Armageddon Game: C+
Whispers: A-
Paradise: A-
Shadowplay: A-
Playing God: C-
Profit and Loss: B+
Blood Oath: B+
The Maquis I: A
The Maquis II: A
The Wire: B
Crossover: A-
The Collaborator: A-
Tribunal: A
The Jem'Hadar: A
 
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blastr rates all the Trek Pilots—and Emissary comes out first.
http://www.blastr.com/2016-1-15/first-contact-every-star-trek-pilot-ranked

"1. Emissary
You know, even my friends who believe that Deep Space Nine is the best of all possible Star Treks often give its pilot episode a throaty 'meh'. And that is totally bananas because "Emissary" is unequivocally the best Star Trek pilot by far. Seriously.

Despite its rocky start, by 1993 Star Trek: The Next Generation became the most popular sci-fi show on television. Deep Space Nine had big shoes to fill, so big in fact that it boldly decided to skip trying to fit the mold entirely and, instead, zig left almost every time TNG would've zagged right.

Deep Space Nine isn't interested in perfect characters gliding through space on a perfect ship, seeking out new life forms with which to put on morality plays. No, DS9 is a show about deeply flawed people trying to navigate an intergalactic ghetto that, thanks to a recently discovered stable wormhole (the only one known), suddenly finds itself being targeted by every other civlization in the universe. And "Emissary"drives that tone home throughout almost the entirety of its 90 minutes.

Rick Berman and Michael Pillar wisely center the pilot's narrative on Avery Brooks' very capable shoulders as the single father, Commander Benjamin Sisko. There's nothing perfect about Sisko. He's a true Moses figure -- he's been chosen to lead, but he doesn't want the job. His wife was killed during the Borg skirmish at Wolf 359 and he's been living inside of that burden for three years. Is he really up to the challenge? You could make a pretty strong argument at the start that maybe he isn't.

So, when Ben arrives on Deep Space Nine, a station completely ravaged by its previous owners, the Cardassians, he is understandably overwhelmed. But he manages to put on a good face, somehow successfully dealing with Major Kira, a resistance fighter who, without her former Cardassian dictators, has become a bit of a dictator, herself, Quark, a Ferengi manipulative casino owner, and Odo, a shapeshifting constable who's used to being the law on this here station. Yes, much like with Voyager, the audience are thrust into a very alien world full of surly, complex non-heroes. But because we're seeing things primarily through Ben's very human and relatable eyes, it's much more managable to navigate.

And that's the tone of most of the pilot. Through Sisko, we get great short hand on who everyone is -- the brilliant but bumbling Doctor Bashir, the ancient but young Trill, Jadzia Dax, and the beliguered Miles O'Brien (finally, Colm Meany gets the meaty stuff he deserved for seven seasons on TNG).

But, perhaps most of all, we learn about conflict. In his meeting with DS9's former leader, Gul Dukat, both we and Sisko learn that this Cardassian's megalomaniacal interest in Bajor and this quadrant are far from over. And when Sisko speaks with Picard, a character basically everyone else loves, the interaction is defined by Sisko's feeling that Picard, despite being under the control of the Borg at the time, is to blame for the death of his wife, Jennifer. Ben, much like Bajor, is surrounded on all quarters by people and things he can't trust.

Even the philosophical elements, which are arguably the weakest parts of "Emissary," are relatable because they're rooted in Sisko's identity. When the alien prophets seek to understand linear, human existence, Sisko is teaching us and them about grief, loss, and how to move on even when every part of you just wants to lay down and die.

"Where No Man Has Gone Before" is seminal, but it ultimately only shows us one ship and only gives us a sense of who Kirk and Spock Are. "Emissary" is about an entire quadrant full of all kinds of alien life. It gives us a solid understanding of Sisko, Kira, Dax, O'Brien, Bashir, Quark, Odo, and Dukat.

And "Emissary" leaves open as many questions as it answers. With this new worm hole, what will be the fate of Deep Space Nine and Bajor? What are these aliens? Are they truly prophets as the Bajoran faithful believe? And what is on the other side of that wormhole?

The pilot is called "Emissary" because Sisko is representing Bajor to the world. But it's also called "Emissary" because he's guiding and representing we human beings in this alien and unfamiliar world.

And for all those reasons that is why "Emissary" is the best pilot that Star Trek has ever produced."
 
Paradise....

It's been a few years since I re-watched this one. I think it's a powerful episode about a cult with a purpose. To me it seems almost like a companion piece with "The Way to Eden" from TOS. My son mentioned that it seemed to have a reference to the Bridge on the River Kwai with the isolation box, and I agree. Fits very well with the moral ambiguity of the show as a whole. This is one of many episodes that transcends the "forehead of the week" syndrome of Star Trek, and is actually about something—but without giving the audience any easy answers. Overall, all the Trek's praise technology and technological problem-solving, but obviously technology has caused for us maybe almost as many problems as it as solved. This episode also reminded me of The Crucible a little....

My rating: A-
 
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I don't think I've commented on Whispers yet, but I love the "invasion of the body snatchers" feel that one has. Even though the big twist in that one means that the story goes another way....
 
I assume it is a hot box as would be used to punish slaves on plantations.
That's what I thought it was based on.

I did not like the way the colonists reacted at the end after they learned they had been lied to although I could have accepted a 'let us think about it and get back to you' response.

Whispers was almost an inversion of Voyager's Non Sequitur ....or a mirror.
 
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I did not like the way the colonists reacted at the end after they learned they had been lied to although I could have accepted a 'let us think about it and get back to you' response.
It's an episode full of promise and missed opportunities. It is the first episode where I think they tried to write to Avery Brooks' strengths and interests. The hot box scenes were powerful, being Roots-like, but the fact that Sisko experienced it, not one of the colonists, lessened the impact. And I would think that most of the people would have clung to their old ideas, those who rejected her should have seem more embittered and disillusioned.
 
I disagree with you about the acting of Avery Brooks. He's very different from the style of Shatner and Stewart. It took me years to get used to his acting style, but I think he has a commanding presence....

My views an Avery's acting have matured over time, especially since I saw him in Vegas at the convention. Avery's just a nut :D

Definitely a commanding presence. I root for him to get better each time I watch DS9 :D
 
I probably did miss commenting on this one, but I think it's an essential episode. Odo is one of my favorite characters, as is Kira, and this is another one that somehow I've missed in my multiple viewings of almost every other episode of the show. There are some episodes that I've seen maybe 6-8 times, but somehow this was like a dream come true: a brand-new (for me) DS9 episode that was quite good.

The whole photography and feel of it makes it like a futuristic noir. The moral ambiguity of the episode throughout was thought-provoking. It's great to see how Odo got the job. A very strong episode. I'd probably give it an "A."

Can't believe I missed this one!

Anyone else have comments about this one? What a contrast with TNG.

Necessary Evil.....

Wow!! What an incredible episode!!

The Odo/Kira relationship just levitates this episode!!

My only minor knock on this one is I'm not sure I agree with Odo here:

"ODO: I haven't been for more than a year. You've had all that time to tell me the truth.
KIRA: I tried to tell you the truth a hundred times. What you think of me matters a lot. I was afraid.
ODO: That might affect our friendship? Maybe it doesn't have to.
KIRA: Will you ever be able to trust me the same way again?"

He expected her to inform him? What difference would it make?

Easy 4 stars regardless. Wonderful story telling here.
 
It's an episode full of promise and missed opportunities. It is the first episode where I think they tried to write to Avery Brooks' strengths and interests. The hot box scenes were powerful, being Roots-like, but the fact that Sisko experienced it, not one of the colonists, lessened the impact. And I would think that most of the people would have clung to their old ideas, those who rejected her should have seem more embittered and disillusioned.

Paradise...

What a piece of crap this one was.

This woman is a kidnapper, , thief, power hungry, egotistical, self-centered BITCH!! I can't believe that someone didn't jump her when they found out they'd been misled. Obrien should have failed to protect her and she should have died at the hands of the colonists.

All for HER philosophy? (slaps head)

Someone earlier suggested that this episode should have depicted a colony where they volunteered to go. Then you don't need the secrecy? ... or I guess they WANT the secrecy and keep Sisko and Obrien so they won't reveal the colonies location etc. Probably a better way to get the point across in this episode, you know, about that bad technology and all.... that technology that ENABLED queeny to conduct her grand experiment.

The WORST part about this episode is how Alixus (Gail Strickland) speaks. Her throaty voice inflections drove me nuts! God... I only watched this episode this time through DS9 because I'm writing these reviews. Always a skipper for me.

1 of 4 stars...
 
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Second Sight.....

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Probably the worst episode of the second season. I'd give it a D-.

I actually like this one, and to give credit where credit is due, it didn't have any Avery acting head-slappers for me. :D

I thought the "love that Fenna professed for Sisko was believable, especially once we find out why she comes into existence.

"In times of deep emotional distress Halanans sometimes lose control of these abilities (psychoprojective telepathy). My wife is very emotionally distraught"

It's logical that the projection would be haphazardly searching for real love here. Sisko was the first person she happened upon. Also, who can blame Sisko for being infatuated with Fenna? Remind me to send a Christmas card to whoever came up with that dress. Wow, Salli Elise Richardson is a strikingly beautiful woman. A comment about that red dress... so many times we see alien cleavage/under boob shots etc in DS9. This was just revealing enough to be tasteful without going overboard. Well done.

I REALLY enjoyed the Dr. Gideon Seyetik character and thought Richard Kiley excelled in this role. I thought he sold the whole thing well and I believed that he would sacrifice himself the way he did to free Nadell from her commitment. It came across as genuine to me.

I enjoyed the Sisko/Jake moments. Jake sold both occurrences. The young kid has proven he's a pretty darn good actor.

I did have a hard time with the closing scene between Sisko and Nadel. It seemed to me like the only reason they had this scene was for Sisko to feel sorry for himself. (I'm surprised they didn't put her in the red dress) I think Sisko's interaction with Nadel should have included something like "you know he loved you". Maybe a tear from her or something? She seemed pretty unemotional for someone that just lost her husband, even though she might not have felt for him what she originally did I saw nothing that lead me to believe that he mistreated her. That's quite a sacrifice you know...

3.5 stars out of 4 for me.
 
I don't think I've commented on Whispers yet, but I love the "invasion of the body snatchers" feel that one has. Even though the big twist in that one means that the story goes another way....

This is one of those episodes that is only good the first time you see it. The "reveal" was pretty darn good, but Bashir just sits there and let's the clone die. No one seems to care. It IS a human being you know.

2.5 stars from me.
 
This woman is a kidnapper, , thief, power hungry, egotistical, self-centered BITCH!! I can't believe that someone didn't jump her when they found out they'd been misled.
Perhaps it doesn't appeal to your sense of justice, but it is natural. Just read the memoirs of the survivors of Jonestown and the People's Temple.
 
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