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Voy Least Liked Episode - Season Two

Worst Season Two Episode?

  • The 37's

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Initiations

    Votes: 2 6.9%
  • Projections

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Elogium

    Votes: 5 17.2%
  • Non Sequitur

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Twisted

    Votes: 1 3.4%
  • Parturition

    Votes: 2 6.9%
  • Persistence of Vision

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Tattoo

    Votes: 6 20.7%
  • Cold Fire

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Maneuvers

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Resistance

    Votes: 1 3.4%
  • Prototype

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Alliances

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Threshold

    Votes: 7 24.1%
  • Meld

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Dreadnought

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Death Wish

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Lifesigns

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Investigations

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Deadlock

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Innocence

    Votes: 1 3.4%
  • The Thaw

    Votes: 2 6.9%
  • Tuvix

    Votes: 2 6.9%
  • Resolutions

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Basics pt 1 and 2

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    29
I voted Elogium because it was awkward and gross. it wasn't an easy call because there was some good dialog about whether or not the crew should shack up. But kes' gross throwing herself about and tongue swelling and hand suction cups...too alien for me to deal with.


Too alien? More alien than the Horta perhaps? C'mon she was all but human, except for her ears and her psionic abilities, that until the end, were not greatly overplayed, aside from which, we know humans can also possess as well. I think it was quite appropriate to see the real world differences that the mere description of female Ocampan's physiology might imply. None of the appearances of these features struck me in the slightest, as being off putting or offensive, just very interestingly instructive. In fact, the response that Lien so feelingly lent to the portrayal of Kes's coping with and processing these changes, I felt was quite poignant. But as it is so often said, YMMV (thinking about it, IMO, there's something ungainly or indistinct about that phrase:thumbdown:)

I can't have sex without suction cups now.

You mean you never have before?!!!!:lol:

That's the main reason why I'm not to fond of "Elogium".

They totally mess up the Ocampa. When I watched that episode the first time, I actually wondered if they were on something when they came up with that episode.

Sorry, Lynx, but as hinted to above, far from messing the conception of them up, it was as significant to their genuine alienness as understanding and appreciating their life span and its linkage or comparison to humans, if not quite a bit more so IMO, because the latter's a simple number game with nothing weird or untoward about it, if one only thinks about it seriously.

I quite like the fact that they at least made her very alien in that respect. Too many aliens are tediously human.
Hopefully, the new series will have an alien who shits out the back of his knees or has two conscious minds within one body or something.

Spot on!!!! Thank you very much sir!!!:techman: As to your suggestions, I'd have to give some serious thought to my interest in the first one, but can only give kudos to the second, not the least of which because of a pretty well known and regarded antecedent.
 
Hard to decide since a lot those episodes are equally worthless, but I tend to favor the ones that comes off as a very bad TNG episode. So by default it's DEATHWISH. I mean this was after I saw Q in one of the best episode in his appearance "All Good Things...", and he's reverted back to something I tend not to see him as... Star Trek's The Great Gazoo. It's annoying and Voyager kept doing that sh*t.

I don't see how one could contend that it wasn't more serious and contemplative than the Continuum's later appearances in the series, however drole some moments came across in those. While it might not signify much to you, it's actually one of the episodes that Mulgrew has historically cited as one of her favorites, because of the inherent "ideas" present.
 
I don't see how one could contend that it wasn't more serious and contemplative than the Continuum's later appearances in the series, however drole some moments came across in those. While it might not signify much to you, it's actually one of the episodes that Mulgrew has historically cited as one of her favorites, because of the inherent "ideas" present.
I don't give a f^ck what's Mulgrew's historical favorites.
 
Drone:. I know the point is to show how alien (unlike human) they can go or it's not space exploration to do otherwise is presumptuous and ego central *I* wasn't able to deal, okay? I was 13 sitting next to my mother. Awkward. And it takes a lot to admit that. It was gross. My opinion. I can have it. I actually was thinking I feel bad for the Kes character as she was heavily experimented with. A short age span, how many kids, odd sexual behaviors and family rituals, out of nowhere super powers and comes back an old hag with dementia apparently. So much potential wasted. I missed her. I know I sound pessmistic over it, jaded you might say but I wasn't bored of her at all. Sick bay was never the same.

I haven't watched all 5 series. What light could you shed on this? Would you say kes is the most alien?
 
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I don't give a f^ck what's Mulgrew's historical favorites.

Well, at least we know where you stand on one of Voyager's leading lights. Singularly blinkered and malign. That's your shtick. Hey, it works for you, keep going with it. Typical.

Drone:. I know the point is to show how alien (unlike human) they can go or it's not space exploration to do otherwise is presumptuous and ego central *I* wasn't able to deal, okay? I was 13 sitting next to my mother. Awkward. And it takes a lot to admit that. It was gross. My opinion. I can have it. I actually was thinking I feel bad for the Kes character as she was heavily experimented with. A short age span, how many kids, odd sexual behaviors and family rituals, out of nowhere super powers and comes back an old hag with dementia apparently. So much potential wasted. I missed her. I know I sound pessmistic over it, jaded you might say but I wasn't bored of her at all. Sick bay was never the same.

I haven't watched all 5 series. What light could you shed on this? Would you say kes is the most alien?

I apologize for implying that I challenged your right to that opinion, especially since, as you explain now, you viewed it at a young age, at which the depictions were difficult to cope with. Not hard to appreciate and I'm glad that you feel free to state it now. I certainly agree with you that there was a world of possibilities that TPTB could have easily created for her. Doctor, counselor, sister/guide to Seven, true moral compass for Janeway, and on and on. What I find most disheartening, is that that they were clueless or just indifferent, to the extraordinary actor that created such a distinctive and empathetic character, basically out of whole cloth.

However, as I said above, somewhere, I personally don't think the portrayal of the characteristics that made her species unique was unduly cruel or taxing on the Ocampan's life or their perception of it. Certainly the majority that we saw in the mausoleum, were inured to life as it was provided to them, but Kes and Suspiria'a band were curious seekers that had the courage to break free of the servile quality of life on the homeworld. As for those physical parameters that you mention, I thought it was illuminating to see how their physiology made them different from humans, who they so closely resembled otherwise. Even the powers you cite, were really more hinted at and shown at lesser levels more often than not. their flowering at the end, was just the means devised to justify Kes's departure, and as Lynx points out, Cold Fire's (and Warlord really) demonstrations were amplified by the actions of others. Additionally, I interpret her appearance and demeanor in Fury as a suggestion that she was, as she actually stated in the episode, ill prepared to cope with whatever parameters she encountered as a non-corporeal being, which may have eventually overwhelmed her genuine and benevolent personality, leading to an urge to strike out in bitterness and rage.

I certainly haven't seen the entirety of the various series, but I would say that there are many examples of species whose behavior, appearance, and physiology marked them as far more distinctively alien than the Ocampans. The Tholians, the Tamarians, and a bit less seriously, perhaps the Tak Tak
 
Number 1: THESHOLD - this baby-lizard episode was so incredible poorly written ... *sigh*
 
The Thaw, hands down. It is my groan worthy episode of season 2, and dare I say of the entire series. It is the one episode that I simply cannot stand, far too wacky and bizarre for me and takes me out of the sic fi world and just looks like a bunch of crazy people dressed up like clowns acting too weird. I keep expecting one of the crew members to break the 3rd wall and say "really?"
 
The Thaw, hands down. It is my groan worthy episode of season 2, and dare I say of the entire series. It is the one episode that I simply cannot stand, far too wacky and bizarre for me and takes me out of the sic fi world and just looks like a bunch of crazy people dressed up like clowns acting too weird. I keep expecting one of the crew members to break the 3rd wall and say "really?"

Finally! Another fan who dislikes Thaw!
 
Finally! Another fan who dislikes Thaw!
I personally LOVE The Thaw - I thought it was one of the best in Season 2.
However, the reason I'm commenting is not because I wish to disagree. Rather I just wanted to mention that I remember findig a whole group of "thaw-haters" on IMDB years ago ... No idea if that thread is still there or not (I go there very rarely these days) but I definitely recall its existence.
So rest assured you are not alone ... A great many people don't like it ... :brickwall:
:guffaw::guffaw::guffaw:
 
Oh, I get why so many people DO Like it. It is reminiscent of the Original Series and it's a bit different from most Voyager episodes. Well acted etc.

I just wish it had shown us Kim's (and everyone else's) ACTUAL fears, not some generic garish pseudo-horror world. It would have told us a little bit more about the characters.

I don't know if anyone here watches Doctor Who but there was an episode where they were stuck in this weird hotel. If they opened certain doors they were confronted with what they themselves were truly afraid of (or the things that haunted them). I really liked that... if the Thaw had been a bit more like that then yes, I would count it as among my favorite.
 
Where to begin? Season 2 and 3 were really bad. I obviously voted Threshold as it's clearly the worst but at least it does have some entertainment value. Episodes like Elogium and Tattoo were boring and subpar stories.To be honest I don't even remember a lot of this season, only that I mostly didn't enjoy it.
 
I thought Elogium had an interesing aspect in how different the process is. But overall a weak episode, as are a few of them in this season. Elogium, Cold Fire, Tattoo. Not my favorites
 
Threshold was the worst. I gave it a zero grade (out of 10). I also gave Elogium a zero, but I had to vote for one of them.

Other bad eps are Initiations (1+), Parturition, Persistence of Vision, Tattoo, Innocence and Resolutions (all a grade of 2- out of 10).

Yeah, I'm not too fond of season 2. It's even worse than season 1 in my view.
 
I think Threshold would have been so much better without the lizard part. The whole warp 10 storyline was actually interesting in my opinion
 
I think Threshold would have been so much better without the lizard part. The whole warp 10 storyline was actually interesting in my opinion

I agree. I think without it would have been at least an average episode. Perhaps if they had shown Tom turning into something like a Q-like being or wanting to 'stay' wherever Warp 10 took him might have been better. I thought the acting was fine.
 
Right, there would have to be some reason for them not to be able to use the warp 10 to get home. I actually rather liked the scene where Tom was pleading with Janewy to let him go on the mission. But of course I'm a sucker for Tom hehe
 
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