*One person stands and begins to clap slowly. Soon, everyone at Camp Khitomer is loudly applauding.*
CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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Meet him at Adepticon and say that to his face!! He may be 55, but he'll kick your ass!
Oh, Alec, the ad hominem attack is the laziest possible refutation, and doesn't even pass muster in freshman year debate. To trot out a C.V. in response would be to dignify your adolescent rhetoric by pretending it was actually an argument worth refuting.
You misunderstood... He was getting married in Church and wanted his Banns
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Quite happy to go where no man has gone before... And so, as it happens, does Jespah by the fact she liked the comment
They've only accounted for the Kickstarter donations in the 2015 budget, nothing from IGG, so I doubt they spent half a million dollars in the few months from the end of IGG to Dec. 31.
He should maybe no FICA but state and federal tax has to be paid and CA is unforgiving when it comes to taxes owed.
There was that Sushi to pay for
And Boomer's litter tray
And private surgery to get that rod out from up Peters's backside
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I could see that taking up a large chunk
I'd say there's a large chunk still in there.
oh, I wouldn't say it was impossible...
http://ny.eater.com/2016/2/1/10883720/masa-nyc-price-no-tipping
Cost to charter a Gulfstream V for a weekend trip from New York City to San Francisco: $106,711.17
(Friday evening to Sunday evening, all costs including helicopter transportation to and from airport, two full-time captains, a flight attendant, crew per diems, landing, ramp, parking, fuel surcharge, taxes, etc) [Forbes]
http://www.forbes.com/pictures/emej...-york-ty-warner-penthouse-suite/#6f1cf17f73d3
THEY CHARTERED A GULFSTREAM...?
Only because the Concorde is out of service.
Imagine how much luck an Axanar fundraiser will have now. It seems that even if the case were dropped tomorrow, Axanar will never happen.
It's a huge shame for any honest fan films suffering for Axanar's bullshit.
Unless those few supporters and hangers on can come up with the second million they now say they need. Alec had offended many of his donors banned them even doxed one or two. And what he hasn't offended RMB and Terry have. Even if they win the case I can't see anyone who ever heard about the Axanar debacle ever giving Alec or anything he's associated with a dime.
I don't see RMB ever working for CBS again either, but that's just me.
Ah, but Concorde supersonic service was only over the ocean, not over the mainland.
tsk, tsk, that's how rumors get started. statement was only observing that it is *possible* to burn through a half million in a short time
From the Axanar FB here's an excerpt from a thread in response to Axanar's posting of the latest Hollywood Reporter article on the suit. I wonder how long it will be before a couple of people are branded as "haters" and banned.
Eric C Fahrner Here's the problem: Axanar isn't about ancient Vulcans from mythology and United Nations flags. That's just clever dodging and sleight of hand.
Axanar is obviously Star Trek in every way - and unfortunately (for reasons of the lawsuit) Axanar is excellent and superb Star Trek. So there we are.
I still think that, with the way officials with the new official Star Trek are singing the praises of Axanar, (Roddenberry, et al), the parties are signaling a willingness to craft a win-win solution.
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John Armbruster Regardless of "Vulcans", Klingon, Starfleet logos...Axanar used characters from Star Trek. The main character in Prelude is Garth of Izar - a Star Trek character. Now, I don't know the nuances of copyright law, but I can quote this example from Memory-alpha about another character - "reasons for not simply bringing back the Locarno character have varied. It may have been because they would have had to pay royalties to the writers of "The First Duty" every episode...". To me it comes down to one thing, if Axanar makes a profit; then they owe the creators of the Star Trek characters they use royalties.
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Jason Walker Sure but they are a non profit organization, by definition they do not make a profit.
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Lee Thomas Holstein So, what about Trek Continues...they use Kirk, Spock, McCoy, etc...as well as EXACT replica's of the sets and costumes...
Or How bout Renegades (also crowd funded) where Walter Koenig revised his role as Chekov...so not only a CBS owned Character...but the original actor playing him...
Or in your view is it ONLY Axanar...because ya know, they used a character from one episode...that wasnt even a main character...
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Michael WC Ehlert Which is why they aren't going to "make a profit" they are distributing the finished film for FREE. And using characters is not a valid issue either because Fan films made by Star Trek: New Voyages/Phase II focus entirely on being new episodes of star trek with the Enterprise & her crew including all the big & well known names like Kirk McCoy Spock and all the rest. They have even had George Takei and Walter Koenig reprise their roles. Neither CBS nor Paramount are suing them for infringement so it is an in-equal application of the law. They can't let one production company do exactly the same thing but prosecute another.
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John Armbruster No, my point was that if this production earned a profit, that this profit was made off the specific intellectual property of others, regardless of the vague terms of "Vulcan" or pointy ears. And the debate seems to be whether or not Axanar's kickstarter involved making a profit.
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John Armbruster Lee Thomas Holstein it has nothing to do with whether the character was a "main character"...Lacarno only appeared in one episode, yet he is some writer's property
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John Armbruster Distributing the film for free doesn't not mean they didn't make a profit.
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Justin Roadcone Powell Fantitlement. There, I coined a term.
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Travis Wilbur Profit isn't even an issue.
Studios aren't even an issue.
Not even Alec Peters paying himself a salary is even an issue.
CBS isn't even pursuing any of that. The only thing that CBS/P is pursuing is JUST the copyright infringement. Which makes them hypocrites because they should also be pursuing Star Trek: Hidden Frontiers, Star Trek Continues, Star Trek: New Voyages/Phase II, Star Trek: Phoenix, Star Trek: Intrepid, Star Trek: Renegades, and every other fan-made production out there.
So, to me, this just screams of CBS/P being butt-hurt that a fan-made production can produce a quality production capable of competing with CBS/P's monopoly on ideas and human creativity.
I don't think Gene Roddenbury would have approved of CBS/P's obviously monopolized tyranny of his creation. I think Roddenbury would have encouraged fan creativity. He might have allowed it to become a sandbox world, like Lucas did with Star Wars.
Eric C Fahrner Here's the problem: Axanar isn't about ancient Vulcans from mythology and United Nations flags. That's just clever dodging and sleight of hand.
Axanar is obviously Star Trek in every way - and unfortunately (for reasons of the lawsuit) Axanar is excellent and superb Star Trek. So there we are.
I still think that, with the way officials with the new official Star Trek are singing the praises of Axanar, (Roddenberry, et al), the parties are signaling a willingness to craft a win-win solution.
Like · Reply · 5 · 1 hr
John Armbruster Regardless of "Vulcans", Klingon, Starfleet logos...Axanar used characters from Star Trek. The main character in Prelude is Garth of Izar - a Star Trek character. Now, I don't know the nuances of copyright law, but I can quote this example from Memory-alpha about another character - "reasons for not simply bringing back the Locarno character have varied. It may have been because they would have had to pay royalties to the writers of "The First Duty" every episode...". To me it comes down to one thing, if Axanar makes a profit; then they owe the creators of the Star Trek characters they use royalties.
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Jason Walker Sure but they are a non profit organization, by definition they do not make a profit.
Like · Reply · 2 · 1 hr
Lee Thomas Holstein So, what about Trek Continues...they use Kirk, Spock, McCoy, etc...as well as EXACT replica's of the sets and costumes...
Or How bout Renegades (also crowd funded) where Walter Koenig revised his role as Chekov...so not only a CBS owned Character...but the original actor playing him...
Or in your view is it ONLY Axanar...because ya know, they used a character from one episode...that wasnt even a main character...
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Michael WC Ehlert Which is why they aren't going to "make a profit" they are distributing the finished film for FREE. And using characters is not a valid issue either because Fan films made by Star Trek: New Voyages/Phase II focus entirely on being new episodes of star trek with the Enterprise & her crew including all the big & well known names like Kirk McCoy Spock and all the rest. They have even had George Takei and Walter Koenig reprise their roles. Neither CBS nor Paramount are suing them for infringement so it is an in-equal application of the law. They can't let one production company do exactly the same thing but prosecute another.
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John Armbruster No, my point was that if this production earned a profit, that this profit was made off the specific intellectual property of others, regardless of the vague terms of "Vulcan" or pointy ears. And the debate seems to be whether or not Axanar's kickstarter involved making a profit.
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John Armbruster Lee Thomas Holstein it has nothing to do with whether the character was a "main character"...Lacarno only appeared in one episode, yet he is some writer's property
Like · Reply · 1 hr
John Armbruster Distributing the film for free doesn't not mean they didn't make a profit.
Like · Reply · 1 hr
Justin Roadcone Powell Fantitlement. There, I coined a term.
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Travis Wilbur Profit isn't even an issue.
Studios aren't even an issue.
Not even Alec Peters paying himself a salary is even an issue.
CBS isn't even pursuing any of that. The only thing that CBS/P is pursuing is JUST the copyright infringement. Which makes them hypocrites because they should also be pursuing Star Trek: Hidden Frontiers, Star Trek Continues, Star Trek: New Voyages/Phase II, Star Trek: Phoenix, Star Trek: Intrepid, Star Trek: Renegades, and every other fan-made production out there.
So, to me, this just screams of CBS/P being butt-hurt that a fan-made production can produce a quality production capable of competing with CBS/P's monopoly on ideas and human creativity.
I don't think Gene Roddenbury would have approved of CBS/P's obviously monopolized tyranny of his creation. I think Roddenbury would have encouraged fan creativity. He might have allowed it to become a sandbox world, like Lucas did with Star Wars.
Eric C Fahrner Here's the problem: Axanar isn't about ancient Vulcans from mythology and United Nations flags. That's just clever dodging and sleight of hand.
Axanar is obviously Star Trek in every way - and unfortunately (for reasons of the lawsuit) Axanar is excellent and superb Star Trek. So there we are.
I still think that, with the way officials with the new official Star Trek are singing the praises of Axanar, (Roddenberry, et al), the parties are signaling a willingness to craft a win-win solution.
Like · Reply · 5 · 1 hr
John Armbruster Regardless of "Vulcans", Klingon, Starfleet logos...Axanar used characters from Star Trek. The main character in Prelude is Garth of Izar - a Star Trek character. Now, I don't know the nuances of copyright law, but I can quote this example from Memory-alpha about another character - "reasons for not simply bringing back the Locarno character have varied. It may have been because they would have had to pay royalties to the writers of "The First Duty" every episode...". To me it comes down to one thing, if Axanar makes a profit; then they owe the creators of the Star Trek characters they use royalties.
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Jason Walker Sure but they are a non profit organization, by definition they do not make a profit.
Like · Reply · 2 · 1 hr
Lee Thomas Holstein So, what about Trek Continues...they use Kirk, Spock, McCoy, etc...as well as EXACT replica's of the sets and costumes...
Or How bout Renegades (also crowd funded) where Walter Koenig revised his role as Chekov...so not only a CBS owned Character...but the original actor playing him...
Or in your view is it ONLY Axanar...because ya know, they used a character from one episode...that wasnt even a main character...
Like · Reply · 3 · 1 hr
Michael WC Ehlert Which is why they aren't going to "make a profit" they are distributing the finished film for FREE. And using characters is not a valid issue either because Fan films made by Star Trek: New Voyages/Phase II focus entirely on being new episodes of star trek with the Enterprise & her crew including all the big & well known names like Kirk McCoy Spock and all the rest. They have even had George Takei and Walter Koenig reprise their roles. Neither CBS nor Paramount are suing them for infringement so it is an in-equal application of the law. They can't let one production company do exactly the same thing but prosecute another.
Like · Reply · 1 · 1 hr
John Armbruster No, my point was that if this production earned a profit, that this profit was made off the specific intellectual property of others, regardless of the vague terms of "Vulcan" or pointy ears. And the debate seems to be whether or not Axanar's kickstarter involved making a profit.
Like · Reply · 1 hr
John Armbruster Lee Thomas Holstein it has nothing to do with whether the character was a "main character"...Lacarno only appeared in one episode, yet he is some writer's property
Like · Reply · 1 hr
John Armbruster Distributing the film for free doesn't not mean they didn't make a profit.
Like · Reply · 1 hr
Justin Roadcone Powell Fantitlement. There, I coined a term.
Like · Reply · 1 hr
Travis Wilbur Profit isn't even an issue.
Studios aren't even an issue.
Not even Alec Peters paying himself a salary is even an issue.
CBS isn't even pursuing any of that. The only thing that CBS/P is pursuing is JUST the copyright infringement. Which makes them hypocrites because they should also be pursuing Star Trek: Hidden Frontiers, Star Trek Continues, Star Trek: New Voyages/Phase II, Star Trek: Phoenix, Star Trek: Intrepid, Star Trek: Renegades, and every other fan-made production out there.
So, to me, this just screams of CBS/P being butt-hurt that a fan-made production can produce a quality production capable of competing with CBS/P's monopoly on ideas and human creativity.
I don't think Gene Roddenbury would have approved of CBS/P's obviously monopolized tyranny of his creation. I think Roddenbury would have encouraged fan creativity. He might have allowed it to become a sandbox world, like Lucas did with Star Wars.
Eric C Fahrner Here's the problem: Axanar isn't about ancient Vulcans from mythology and United Nations flags. That's just clever dodging and sleight of hand.
Axanar is obviously Star Trek in every way - and unfortunately (for reasons of the lawsuit) Axanar is excellent and superb Star Trek. So there we are.
I still think that, with the way officials with the new official Star Trek are singing the praises of Axanar, (Roddenberry, et al), the parties are signaling a willingness to craft a win-win solution.
Like · Reply · 5 · 1 hr
John Armbruster Regardless of "Vulcans", Klingon, Starfleet logos...Axanar used characters from Star Trek. The main character in Prelude is Garth of Izar - a Star Trek character. Now, I don't know the nuances of copyright law, but I can quote this example from Memory-alpha about another character - "reasons for not simply bringing back the Locarno character have varied. It may have been because they would have had to pay royalties to the writers of "The First Duty" every episode...". To me it comes down to one thing, if Axanar makes a profit; then they owe the creators of the Star Trek characters they use royalties.
Like · Reply · 1 hr
Hide 11 Replies
Jason Walker Sure but they are a non profit organization, by definition they do not make a profit.
Like · Reply · 2 · 1 hr
Lee Thomas Holstein So, what about Trek Continues...they use Kirk, Spock, McCoy, etc...as well as EXACT replica's of the sets and costumes...
Or How bout Renegades (also crowd funded) where Walter Koenig revised his role as Chekov...so not only a CBS owned Character...but the original actor playing him...
Or in your view is it ONLY Axanar...because ya know, they used a character from one episode...that wasnt even a main character...
Like · Reply · 3 · 1 hr
Michael WC Ehlert Which is why they aren't going to "make a profit" they are distributing the finished film for FREE. And using characters is not a valid issue either because Fan films made by Star Trek: New Voyages/Phase II focus entirely on being new episodes of star trek with the Enterprise & her crew including all the big & well known names like Kirk McCoy Spock and all the rest. They have even had George Takei and Walter Koenig reprise their roles. Neither CBS nor Paramount are suing them for infringement so it is an in-equal application of the law. They can't let one production company do exactly the same thing but prosecute another.
Like · Reply · 1 · 1 hr
John Armbruster No, my point was that if this production earned a profit, that this profit was made off the specific intellectual property of others, regardless of the vague terms of "Vulcan" or pointy ears. And the debate seems to be whether or not Axanar's kickstarter involved making a profit.
Like · Reply · 1 hr
John Armbruster Lee Thomas Holstein it has nothing to do with whether the character was a "main character"...Lacarno only appeared in one episode, yet he is some writer's property
Like · Reply · 1 hr
John Armbruster Distributing the film for free doesn't not mean they didn't make a profit.
Like · Reply · 1 hr
Justin Roadcone Powell Fantitlement. There, I coined a term.
Like · Reply · 1 hr
Travis Wilbur Profit isn't even an issue.
Studios aren't even an issue.
Not even Alec Peters paying himself a salary is even an issue.
CBS isn't even pursuing any of that. The only thing that CBS/P is pursuing is JUST the copyright infringement. Which makes them hypocrites because they should also be pursuing Star Trek: Hidden Frontiers, Star Trek Continues, Star Trek: New Voyages/Phase II, Star Trek: Phoenix, Star Trek: Intrepid, Star Trek: Renegades, and every other fan-made production out there.
So, to me, this just screams of CBS/P being butt-hurt that a fan-made production can produce a quality production capable of competing with CBS/P's monopoly on ideas and human creativity.
I don't think Gene Roddenbury would have approved of CBS/P's obviously monopolized tyranny of his creation. I think Roddenbury would have encouraged fan creativity. He might have allowed it to become a sandbox world, like Lucas did with Star Wars.
I see a bunch of fans flailing around in the soup made of themselves and tangly seaweed covered in diversionary ideas.
What I don't see is any way Axanar can win a dismissal of the case by tweezing out each of Spock's eyebrows and claiming there's no CBS microstamp on them.
What I don't see is any way Axanar can win a dismissal of the case by tweezing out each of Spock's eyebrows and claiming there's no CBS microstamp on them.
"Kirk, Enterprise!"
I'm honestly not at all surprised by this latest development, nor the continued, petty schoolyard gradeschool shenanigans of Alec and Terry on FB.
The only thing -- the only thing -- these dipshits understand is tit for tat ad hominem attacks. Peters especially, the shrimp dick man child that he is, simply cannot abide any kind of reaction to him or his actions and comments or let same go by without some kind of reprisal, some kind of baseless, transparent projection of their own insecurities and inadequacies.
As we have seen, several of us in the "haters" camp have accomplished more and can rest on the laurels of our careers and the work we have done. Peters is that little kid in the neighborhood who keeps wanting to come hang out with the older kids but whom none ever invite because he's just so damn annoying. He's Ralph Wiggum at 55. He's not just a mosquito that's about to be squashed by a boot, he's a buzzing mosquito on a sweltering hot day in the dead of summer that's about to be drowned in shaving cream and set on fire before getting squashed by that boot.
Burnett has, for years, harbored some inexplicable belief that he is "owed" Star Trek. Despite a very obviously middling career, his descent into madness following the ascension of JJ Abrams to the gatekeeper of the Trek franchise has been all at once pathetic and hilarious to behold. The clear break from reality here for Burnett is readily apparent if one follows any of his social media outlets on Twitter, Facebook or Instagram, and he has effectively torched any future career with any CBS or Paramount property given his petulant and seething temper tantrums during these proceedings.
The less said about Terry McIntosh, the better. He's a brute with the intellectual capacity of a dirty potato with only his own self-interests in mind and like Burnett, a tragic yet hilarious lack of understanding when it comes to the law or how to effectively persuasively communicate in a non-violent or legitimate way.
The latest legal shenanigans and parlor tricks will show no improvement for their cause nor will it strengthen the extremely flawed stance they have taken.
Pay these nitwits no mind, no matter how they buzz. The boot will drop and when it drops all that will be left will be the splattered mess of Alec Peters' broken, fraudulent dreams.
The only thing -- the only thing -- these dipshits understand is tit for tat ad hominem attacks. Peters especially, the shrimp dick man child that he is, simply cannot abide any kind of reaction to him or his actions and comments or let same go by without some kind of reprisal, some kind of baseless, transparent projection of their own insecurities and inadequacies.
As we have seen, several of us in the "haters" camp have accomplished more and can rest on the laurels of our careers and the work we have done. Peters is that little kid in the neighborhood who keeps wanting to come hang out with the older kids but whom none ever invite because he's just so damn annoying. He's Ralph Wiggum at 55. He's not just a mosquito that's about to be squashed by a boot, he's a buzzing mosquito on a sweltering hot day in the dead of summer that's about to be drowned in shaving cream and set on fire before getting squashed by that boot.
Burnett has, for years, harbored some inexplicable belief that he is "owed" Star Trek. Despite a very obviously middling career, his descent into madness following the ascension of JJ Abrams to the gatekeeper of the Trek franchise has been all at once pathetic and hilarious to behold. The clear break from reality here for Burnett is readily apparent if one follows any of his social media outlets on Twitter, Facebook or Instagram, and he has effectively torched any future career with any CBS or Paramount property given his petulant and seething temper tantrums during these proceedings.
The less said about Terry McIntosh, the better. He's a brute with the intellectual capacity of a dirty potato with only his own self-interests in mind and like Burnett, a tragic yet hilarious lack of understanding when it comes to the law or how to effectively persuasively communicate in a non-violent or legitimate way.
The latest legal shenanigans and parlor tricks will show no improvement for their cause nor will it strengthen the extremely flawed stance they have taken.
Pay these nitwits no mind, no matter how they buzz. The boot will drop and when it drops all that will be left will be the splattered mess of Alec Peters' broken, fraudulent dreams.
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