What is THE Worst continuity error in Trek history..?!

[T'Girl]

^ Why not both?

Don't get me wrong, the occasional fun scene like when Data asks Worf to take spot, or scenes with Tribbles are fine. But Star Trek episodes that are never ending fun isn't what I personally want to see.

The fun should be reserved for rare moments, Star Trek shouldn't be "goofy."

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[Anwar]

And, honestly, I don't see the distinction. Because both are robotic, faceless, enemies, I must accept all or none?

No one has a problem with the Doctor always being able to win against the Daleks and Cybermen.

And?.

It shows just how limited the Borg are as the "faceless enemy" in the first place that they needed someone to fill the role of "Representative" in every Borg appearance anyways. They should've just had the Queen there in the first place.

Imagine how dull the Dominion would've been if it was all just the Jem'Hadar (no Vorta or Founders) and no Jem'Hadar ever spoke or showed any signs of sentience.

 

[fireproof78]

No one has a problem with the Doctor always being able to win against the Daleks and Cybermen..

That's the Doctor. Again, it's not an all or nothing proposition that I have to like one in one property and one in another property. The Daleks show up due to contractual obligations, and some stories are good and some are bad.
Personally, I generally don't like most Dalek stories, as they fill like filler, especially early on in the new runs. The Borg, however, were presented as something different, that Starfleet hadn't encountered before. The whole concept was technology that wasn't helpful, and a species that couldn't be negotiated with.

It shows just how limited the Borg are as the "faceless enemy" in the first place that they needed someone to fill the role of "Representative" in every Borg appearance anyways. They should've just had the Queen there in the first place.

Agreed.

Imagine how dull the Dominion would've been if it was all just the Jem'Hadar (no Vorta or Founders) and no Jem'Hadar ever spoke or showed any signs of sentience.

Sure, it would have been dull, but it probably would have just been a one off alien species and not be the Dominion. And, if it had continued on, then we simply would not have Changeling infiltrators episodes, and had more episodes like "Siege of AR-558."

 

[Jedi_Master]

I am sure it's been mentioned but I always found how that warp speed rules and distances between planets are entirely dependent on the plot to be annoying.

 

[fireproof78]

I am sure it's been mentioned but I always found how that warp speed rules and distances between planets are entirely dependent on the plot to be annoying.

Agreed. It would have been nice to have some consistency in that.

 

[Jedi_Master]

Agreed. It would have been nice to have some consistency in that.

I can understand that "ahead warp factor x" isn't always supposed to work out mathematically, but at the very least give us some consistent idea of total speed limits, or distances between planets.

 

[Kor]

Because Trek that's fun and exciting is obscene and not true to Roddenberry's vision.

If Roddenberry's later ideas which coalesced into TNG are considered as his definitive vision, then that that would undoubtedly be correct.

But way back before the new-age Utopian mumbo jumbo of TNG, TOS was loads of fun. And to me, that's real Star Trek.

Kor

 

[Bad Thoughts]

"Warp speed" as plot speed does bother me, but I think rather than tried to nail down how far one could go at each warp factor, I wish their were more technological consequences to extensive high warp movement (as in The Chase). Maybe you could fly from one end of the federation to the other in less than two days, but afterward, you should be stuck at impulse for at least one week.

 

[fireproof78]

I can understand that "ahead warp factor x" isn't always supposed to work out mathematically, but at the very least give us some consistent idea of total speed limits, or distances between planets.

Yeah, but that's too much like math. I mean, I might need a calculator

 

[Anwar]

Personally, I generally don't like most Dalek stories, as they fill like filler, especially early on in the new runs. The Borg, however, were presented as something different, that Starfleet hadn't encountered before. The whole concept was technology that wasn't helpful, and a species that couldn't be negotiated with

Too bad we'd already seen that before in Trek too.

Agreed

It was a bad idea to overpower them so much as well.

Sure, it would have been dull, but it probably would have just been a one off alien species and not be the Dominion.

Yes, which means that when you come up with series arch-villain you should make them more sustainable.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Star Trek episodes that are never ending fun isn't what I personally want to see.

Yeah! Why should an entertainment show be entertaining?

But way back before the new-age Utopian mumbo jumbo of TNG, TOS was loads of fun. And to me, that's real Star Trek.

Agreed!

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

A rerun of the Kessel run with the Enterprise and Millennium Falcon winner takes all

The Borg as presented in the episode Q Who were a lot more scary then they were later on as they just devolved. Had they kept them that way they'd have been much more effective.

 

[The Wormhole]

If Roddenberry's later ideas which coalesced into TNG are considered as his definitive vision, then that that would undoubtedly be correct.

But way back before the new-age Utopian mumbo jumbo of TNG, TOS was loads of fun. And to me, that's real Star Trek.

Kor

To be honest, the Roddenberry vision I follow is the one laid out in the TMP novelization. The one with love instructors.

 

[fireproof78]

Too bad we'd already seen that before in Trek too.



It was a bad idea to overpower them so much as well.



Yes, which means that when you come up with series arch-villain you should make them more sustainable.

There is no arguing that they overpowered them, but that fact does not change the "devolution" that happened or the errors that occurred later on down the road. It isn't really reasonable to say that they did it wrong and that's why it sucked and if they had only had "X" it would have been better. What the audience has is what is on screen, good, bad, or otherwise, and no amount of "X" factors really changes on screen results.

Also, they certainly de-powered the Borg over the course of VOY.

 

[Captain Rob]

The worst continuity error in Star Trek history is......
No Money!!

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

The worst continuity error in Star Trek history is......
No Money!!

THIS

It's as if the writers sometimes just can't make up their minds where things are with this little detail.

 

[Anwar]

The Borg as presented in the episode Q Who were a lot more scary then they were later on as they just devolved. Had they kept them that way they'd have been much more effective.

Non sustainable, not if they were going to be the kind of enemy that showed up regularly.

Agreed!

So basically, you think it's dumb that people in the future should act any differently from people in the 20th Century. In any way, at all.

There is no arguing that they overpowered them, but that fact does not change the "devolution" that happened or the errors that occurred later on down the road. It isn't really reasonable to say that they did it wrong and that's why it sucked and if they had only had "X" it would have been better. What the audience has is what is on screen, good, bad, or otherwise, and no amount of "X" factors really changes on screen results.

Also, they certainly de-powered the Borg over the course of VOY.

I'm hoping if they get re-introduced in the NuTrek movies or a rebooted TV show later, they'll be smart enough not to make them super-powerful or to make people be unreasonably scared of them.

As for the depowering, no one cares they did the same thing to the Dominion.

 

[fireproof78]

As for the depowering, no one cares they did the same thing to the Dominion.

I don't see the same thing between the Borg and the Dominion. Not even close.
The Borg were defeated time and again by a single ship stranded from any resources. In comparison, as you insisted, the Dominon's weakening at least had story reasons to support it, as they were cut off from their main resource hub via the Wormhole. Which is more believable?

 

[stardream]

A rerun of the Kessel run with the Enterprise and Millennium Falcon winner takes all

The Borg as presented in the episode Q Who were a lot more scary then they were later on as they just devolved. Had they kept them that way they'd have been much more effective.

I would have been bored if they remained the same. The more we see the static never evolving bad guy the less scary they become. One reason I stoped watching some TV shows is that the 'bad guy' was so predictable.

 

[Terok Nor]

Surely "The Man Trap" airing before "Where No Man Has Gone Before" is the biggest continuity mistake in Star Trek history?