CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

[lurok]

I'll just about give the indulgent office a pass as it's their 'studio' base rather than the usual scuzzy temp space Karzak, Maurice and some of us might be more familiar with.

But still, how the studio director's office has changed...

 

[Tom]

Lets start to compile a list serious questions, that hopefully can asked to Alec in a future interview. I will start:

Question 1 - Alec, why is the website/Paypal money not listed on your financial report? Where did these funds go?

 

[Admiral Cain]

Question for you filmmaking guys: when you rent a studio space or sound studio, what are your expectations as far a amenities? Do you expect lights, cameras, dressing rooms, storage space - what? Or do you rent lights and cameras and such separately? Ares appears to have a lighting grid but no lights. Would they normally buy them or rent them?

 

[Tom]

Depends on if you at a 'Rental' stage or have constructed your own studio like STNV, STC etc.

 

[muCephi]

Question for Axanar: can you point to a single other donor-funded project which bans donors who raise simple factual questions, and even donors merely observed by project business managers to be registered in "undesireable" discussions elsewhere online, from the donors Facebook group?

 

[KennyB]

That's no office, it's a man cave.........

 

[Jay]

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[Devils Advocate]...He will say he was going to shoot the movie this past February but the lawsuit prevented that. ...

How was he going to shoot it without the script done, without the actors signed (so they could be scheduled) and without the sets done? Even if the sets were finished in time, and the script, without signed actors what was supposed to be shot? Background stuff? Crowd scenes?

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

That's no office, it's a man cave.........

Burnett is no man

 

[RedForman]

Assanar?

So they can do "Prelude to Assanar."

The main battle takes place at Uranus????? Amiright?

"A Vulcan's gonna do what a Vulcan's gonna do..."

"What Garth did that day, no captain had ever done before..."

 

[Karzak]

Fixed that for you...

That's no office, it's a man-child cave.........

 

[Jedi_Master]

I have to say that today for the first time I felt a little genuine anger looking over the latest evidence of Axanar's misdeeds.
I hope that CBS/P cleans them out and that Alec Peters and Robert Myers Burnett never work in anything even remotely related to the entertainment industry again.

 

[muCephi]

How was he going to shoot it without the script done, without the actors signed (so they could be scheduled) and without the sets done? Even if the sets were finished in time, and the script, without signed actors what was supposed to be shot? Background stuff? Crowd scenes?

Question for Axanar: how is it possible that you were in December "ready to shoot in February", but having experienced only a stop-work order from a judge, found yourself in the situation of being unprepared, with no script, no completed sets, no hired actors, and by your claim to the court nothing actually identifiable as work done yet on a movie, a mere few weeks after being sued?

 

[RCAM]

I wonder if the World Tour will end in a country with no extradition treaty.

LOL!

 

[muCephi]

I wonder if the World Tour will end in a country with no extradition treaty.

you are referring, perhaps, to the undiscovered country?

 

[Karzak]

Still relevant, apparently, given the news of the Axanar World Tour:

 

[Jedi_Master]

Still relevant, apparently, given the news of the Axanar World Tour:

#AllAwardsMatter

 

[mkstewartesq]

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So know your thinking, well he will finally get whats coming to him when he goes to court! Well that may not be the case either. While its hopefully to think the CBS/P's lawyers will throw in all theses claims we having been talking about in the thread, there is a good chance they will not. and it will be strictly on the merits of copyright law. Damages may not be 150k each and may just be a couple hundred dollars each. He could get away with more than your think, or were hoping for.

@Tom - thanks for posting this. I had been considering posting something similar for a while now, but refrained (mainly because I was afraid I, as a newbie (says so right there to the left) was getting a little annoying posting clarifications and “don’t get your hopes up too much” messages.

But I don’t think this point can be overstated. As the case goes forward, C/P is only going to delve into those things that directly pertain to their case and benefit C/P. So, yes, they will look into everything that demonstrates copyright infringement - either evidence of elements copies from Star Trek to evidence that supports their contention that Axanar was profiting from C/P IP - such as evidence that Axanar was using the film as the springboard for other efforts, offering infringing models in exchange for donations, and so on. The same for a trademark infringement claim (if they even bring such a claim) - evidence such as the use of Star Trek’s “look and feel” on coffee products. Same for an unfair competition claim (if they even bring such a claim) - evidence that Axanar was marketing this as professional and competitive with (or better than) Star Trek produced by C/P.

But that’s it. No matter how riled up everyone is about how Axanar may or may not have run their business vis a vis funds management or liability to donors or running Propworx out of the facility or anything else - C/P is not going to care about that and isn’t going to devote much time to it. They are certainly not going to use it as a hammer to bring down on Axanar, as it doesn’t have anything to do with their claims (and, in fact, C/P has no legal standing to complain about those things because they are not donors and don’t have any other protectible interest in how the business is run.) Indeed, a lot of the information relating to alleged mismanagement/self-interest would almost certainly be ruled by Judge Klausner as “irrelevant” to C/P’s claims , meaning Axanar does not even have to respond to questions about them or produce any information about them.

So, while certain additional information may come out in the course of this case, anyone expecting any “comeuppance” of Axanar for their business practices is likely to be very disappointed if they think the C/P case will be the vehicle for it.

Mike

 

[RedForman]

you are referring, perhaps, to the undiscovered country?

.....where no man has gone before

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

@Tom - thanks for posting this. I had been considering posting something similar for a while now, but refrained (mainly because I was afraid I, as a newbie (says so right there to the left) was getting a little annoying posting clarifications and “don’t get your hopes up too much” messages.

But I don’t think this point can be overstated. As the case goes forward, C/P is only going to delve into those things that directly pertain to their case and benefit C/P. So, yes, they will look into everything that demonstrates copyright infringement - either evidence of elements copies from Star Trek to evidence that supports their contention that Axanar was profiting from C/P IP - such as evidence that Axanar was using the film as the springboard for other efforts, offering infringing models in exchange for donations, and so on. The same for a trademark infringement claim (if they even bring such a claim) - evidence such as the use of Star Trek’s “look and feel” on coffee products. Same for an unfair competition claim (if they even bring such a claim) - evidence that Axanar was marketing this as professional and competitive with (or better than) Star Trek produced by C/P.

But that’s it. No matter how riled up everyone is about how Axanar may or may not have run their business vis a vis funds management or liability to donors or running Propworx out of the facility or anything else - C/P is not going to care about that and isn’t going to devote much time to it. They are certainly not going to use it as a hammer to bring down on Axanar, as it doesn’t have anything to do with their claims (and, in fact, C/P has no legal standing to complain about those things because they are not donors and don’t have any other protectible interest in how the business is run.) Indeed, a lot of the information relating to alleged mismanagement/self-interest would almost certainly be ruled by Judge Klausner as “irrelevant” to C/P’s claims , meaning Axanar does not even have to respond to questions about them or produce any information about them.

So, while certain additional information may come out in the course of this case, anyone expecting any “comeuppance” of Axanar for their business practices is likely to be very disappointed if they think the C/P case will be the vehicle for it.

Mike

I disagree

 

[Tom]

I disagree

With what part?