Agent Carter - Season 2

[shapeshifter]

Dammit, ninj'd by a few seconds.

Wasn't there a scene in TWS, Cap talks to Carter (as an old lady) on her death bed?

Whose in charge of making the renewal decisions, Marvel or the Mouse? Because remember AOS stank at first, then someone threw a crapload of creativity $$$ at it and suddenly it improved.

AC just needs to be made a must see part of the MCU and they will come. I hope, think, that is going to happen sooner or later.

 

[Gaith]

Isn't Peggy Carter still alive in the present-set movies?

So far as we know so far (no spoilers), she still is at the end of Age of Ultron, but the old age CG they used in TWS isn't feasible for AoS.

Whose in charge of making the renewal decisions, Marvel or the Mouse? Because remember AOS stank at first, then someone threw a crapload of creativity $$$ at it and suddenly it improved.

Disney owns Marvel and ABC, so they might be able to pressure the latter into renewing it. And AoS was never that bad, and wouldn't be as good as it is now if they hadn't had that first half-season of world-building. Sure, a few episodes were kinda blah, and they could have had a stronger opening arc than the halfhearted Centipede storyline, but there were some quite strong one-offs also, and, unless I'm mistaken, they had a rather bigger budget back then.

AC just needs to be made a must see part of the MCU and they will come. I hope, think, that is going to happen sooner or later.

It can't happen, because we know Peggy survives and founds co-SHIELD, and so a lot of people will say "then what's the point?" Many people complained that Valkyrie wasn't suspenseful because we know that's not how Hitler died, never mind that it was an excellent thriller.

 

[shapeshifter]

Disney owns Marvel and ABC, so they might be able to pressure the latter into renewing it.

Thanks.

And AoS was never that bad, and wouldn't be as good as it is now if they hadn't had that first half-season of world-building.

Oh, I agree, it wasn't that bad but there were allot of complaints, iirc.

It can't happen, because we know Peggy survives and founds co-SHIELD, and so a lot of people will say "then what's the point?".

Knowing she survives isn't a deal breaker, for me at least. The draw should be about that ERA, and the founding. Just like AOS upped the ante, so can AC with the proper creativity. And here's the kicker, why I think it MUST happen, I don't believe failure is an option for the Mouse.

Quitting now flushes everything down the drain, makes the first two seasons obsolete. Few are going to pick up those DVD/BDs knowing it's an open-ended failure.

IMO the Mouse can afford to keep pushing it, make it something the masses are eventually clamoring to see the beginning of once it hits that break out point, becomes a must see chapter of the MCU. Just like AOS. Suddenly the early seasons start flying off the shelves, sticking with it, pays off. /wishful thinking

 

[Mr Light]

In "Winter Soldier" she was in a hospice and losing her memory, but she was still alive...

 

[RJDiogenes]

That's great news, if it's true. I think that Marvel (and Disney) are proud of the show, so maybe they are willing to give it a few episodes a year during a period when ratings are lower in general.

It can't happen, because we know Peggy survives and founds co-SHIELD, and so a lot of people will say "then what's the point?" Many people complained that Valkyrie wasn't suspenseful because we know that's not how Hitler died, never mind that it was an excellent thriller.

Yeah, I've never understood that kind of thinking. It invalidates any kind of historical fiction or prequel. I don't care if I know what's going to happen, as long as it's well done.

 

[The Old Mixer]

I think of it as world-building. They have a large number of years between CA:TFA and Iron Man to play with while fleshing out the MCU. I'd like to see them get at least as far as the birth of SHIELD.

And we may know that Peggy and Howard will live, but do we know the same for Sousa or Jarvis?

 

[Christopher]

And we may know that Peggy and Howard will live, but do we know the same for Sousa or Jarvis?

Presumably Jarvis would live long enough to be a part of Tony's life, considering that Tony created an A.I. in his honor.

 

[The Old Mixer]

That hasn't been established onscreen, so we can't take it as a given. If Howard couldn't shut up about Captain America, maybe he also regaled Tony with stories of that adventurous butler he used to have.

 

[Christopher]

That hasn't been established onscreen, so we can't take it as a given.

I was not asserting it as a given, merely a reasonable possibility. You keep misreading my acknowledgments of possibility as reckless declarations of certainty, and I don't appreciate it.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

That's great news, if it's true. I think that Marvel (and Disney) are proud of the show, so maybe they are willing to give it a few episodes a year during a period when ratings are lower in general.

While that's always been the key to its existence, I have to wonder if its ratings make it more profitable than reruns. While it certainly would do better, it's also not free to make. It doesn't have to just earn gross more than reruns would for its ad time, it's got to net that after counting expenses. It's hard to believe it actually does given how bad its ratings are.

 

[JD]

Oh god, I hope not. Agent Carter doesn't need to take time from the good Marvel TV show. AoS has a big enough cast already without wasting time on a character that (in universe) is dead and completely irrelevant to any of AoS's ongoing storylines. They could probably stuff her in somewhere, but I'd rather see the actual cast members get more screen time for relevant plot or character development then see a guest star take time away for really no reason. If they can't get the AC tv show to work, and apparently the ratings are dire enough that it seems likely that they can't, that should be where it ends, outside of maybe having cameos for Peggy Carter herself like we saw in Ant-Man.

Well, ratings wise AoS is definitely the more solid, which says that more people want to watch AoS then AC. If the average AoS viewers wanted to see Agent Carter, that show would have higher ratings.

Except rating have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the quality of the show. There are plenty of great shows, like AC which don't get that great of ratings. As for the Agent Carter's ratings, I have a feeling the fact that it is a period show with a female lead might scare some people off.

I was pretty happy with the way they finished off the season. The defeat of Whitney Frost was a bit simple, but I thought it still worked.
I was afraid they were going to actually kill off Sousa when he was getting sucked into the rift, so I was pleasantly surprised when they did save him.
I love how they had all of the characters all working together, scenes like that are why I love ensemble shows like this.
I was glad Peggy and Sousa finally got together at the end.
That was a pretty great cliffhanger at the end, so I really hope we get another season, or at least get a resolution on AoS.

 

[kirk55555]

Except rating have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the quality of the show. There are plenty of great shows, like AC which don't get that great of ratings. As for the Agent Carter's ratings, I have a feeling the fact that it is a period show with a female lead might scare some people off.

I didn't mean that the ratings indicated the quality (although I personally think Agent Carter is getting much better ratings then it deserves anyway), but that the general AoS audience doesn't seem very interested in AC, and probably wouldn't want to see AoS take time away from its show for pointless Peggy Carter flashbacks. This is in relation to AC not getting renewed, and the idea that AoS might give AC some screentime if that happens.

 

[JD]

But they don't have to be pointless Agent Carter flashbacks, she's one of the creators of S.H.I.E.L.D. and the show is about S.H.I.E.L.D. so that alone gives them a reason for more flashbacks. There are over 50 years of history for the orginization, so there it should be plenty of things that can tie the past and present together. They already did it once with the Kree, so I don't see why they can't do it again.

 

[kirk55555]

But they don't have to be pointless Agent Carter flashbacks, she's one of the creators of S.H.I.E.L.D. and the show is about S.H.I.E.L.D. so that alone gives them a reason for more flashbacks. There are over 50 years of history for the orginization, so there it should be plenty of things that can tie the past and present together. They already did it once with the Kree, so I don't see why they can't do it again.

Personally, I'm only interested in the modern Agents of SHIELD. Why should they lose screen time to Agent Carter? Don't get me wrong, Peggy Carter is a great character (with a great actress) when she's not written by the horrible people running her show, but when I'm watching AoS I want to see Coulson, may, Skye, etc. That's why I tune in, not to watch flashbacks with a character that is completely irrelevant to the show. Yeah, they could shoehorn her in to make her technically "relevant" to AoS, but it still takes time away from the actual cast of the show for no real reason.

 

[RJDiogenes]

While that's always been the key to its existence, I have to wonder if its ratings make it more profitable than reruns. While it certainly would do better, it's also not free to make. It doesn't have to just earn gross more than reruns would for its ad time, it's got to net that after counting expenses. It's hard to believe it actually does given how bad its ratings are.

I wondered about the mini-series versus re-runs profitability, too. A period piece like that can't be cheap, and it does have some SFX, though not as much as SHIELD. I really have no idea, but then I have no idea how the Netflix shows can be profitable. But as long as it's on the air, I'm happy.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

I think of it as world-building. They have a large number of years between CA:TFA and Iron Man to play with while fleshing out the MCU. I'd like to see them get at least as far as the birth of SHIELD.

And we may know that Peggy and Howard will live, but do we know the same for Sousa or Jarvis?

I just wish they would go ahead and get to the actual world-building. AC has some of the best dialogue, characterization, acting, and visuals of any of the current superhero tv shows. Yet it's one of the hardest for me to get excited about, and I think that's primarily because it keeps focusing on stories that just aren't that exciting.

This entire season's main storyline probably would've been relegated to a two-part episode in most other series, and I'm not sure that would've been a bad thing, especially given how low-key and by the numbers the finale was.

If they would move on to SHIELD already - get some actually interesting intrigue going on - rather than dithering around with apparently random conspiracy plots that seemingly go nowhere, I think the show would be a lot better for it, and much more likely to attract more MCU fans.

 

[Arrrrgggh]

You realize that the "apparently random conspiracy plots" is almost guaranteed to be Hydra related, right? Remember, they were a part of SHIELD from the very beginning. Since it's unlikely that any of the three founders (Peggy, Howard, and Chester Philips) were a part of Hydra, that means it's going to be one of the supporting characters on Agent Carter. It's also pretty likely that the organization they're up against at the moment is going to be related to Hydra as well, seeing as how it fits almost all the critera of their modus operandi of infiltrating key areas of government and business.

 

[Captain Craig]

I was very pleased with the whole season and thought the finale was a believable conclusion. Jason knew Whitney, like him, could sense the zero matter. Both were drawn to what remained in the dead woman's body from episode 1 that both tracked to that morgue. Both were drawn to it again in the desert. By the time they opened the portal on the studio lot she had become a full blown junkie and was going to show up solo or w/an army. It didn't matter to her, she feared no one, getting shot meant nothing to her.

I'm looking forward to more on the Arena Club.
Should we get a S3 I'm guessing that unlike the year jump from S1-S2 it'll pick up almost immediately? I suppose it could jump and we hear about a Thompson recovery in a few lines of dialogue. If it does jump a year again it should be all about officially setting up SHIELD. Try and get Tommy Lee Jones to guest star in an episode, or the finale? I'd also like to see some follow up with them holding Arnim Zola in some way.

I'm not opposed to brining in some type of costume hero either. A few options exist.
The show needs to be available for streaming on Netflix or Amazon Prime so people could get caught up faster as well should a S3 develop.

 

[JD]

I just watched the Agent Carter one-shot for the first time, and I was kind of surprised by how much it doesn't line up with the show. I was thinking it could be a cool little epilouge for the show, but it ended with Carter going to run S.H.I.E.L.D. only a year after The First Avenger, but I'm pretty sure the show is far past that in the timeline, and there has been no sign of them yet.

 

[Gaith]

^ Yeah, I think it's fair to say at this point the one-shot has been pretty well de-canonized by implication.

If it does jump a year again it should be all about officially setting up SHIELD.

Several people have recommended that, but I'm not sure the bureaucracy of such a storyline would really be that interesting. Presumably, its main focus would be on countering super/unusual threats from the Soviets, as seen in the archival footage of the Pyms doing their thing...

I'd also like to see some follow up with them holding Arnim Zola in some way.

We already got that.