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Series with the best finale

Which series had your favorite finale?


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TNG was the all around most satisfying finale. It felt right. It worked. It was tight and yet told us what we wanted to know.
DS9 would be my runner up. If you lopped off the last 8 minutes it might actually take the top spot. If they had ended it in Vic's nightclub simulation it would have been the perfect end to the series. The Dukat/Pah Wraith/ Fistfight on a classic ST papermache set just felt like an annoying B plot that was not needed. Sadly Moore seems to have this problem with finales. BSG would have ended perfectly if it ended 10 minutes earlier as the classic theme played and the empty fleet jumped to the sun. Everything past that was WTF annoying.

Enterprise was by far the worst ending of all. "Computer End Program". I nearly threw something through the TV.
 
VOY finale was a waste. Largely because half of the two parter is derivative of TNG's AGT, and the fact that the alternate future we spent so much time with was wiped out/will never exist thanks to Future Adm Janeway's meddling.

Well, that's only the case if one accepts that construct of the development and continuing existence of alternate timelines. As I perceive it, this situation like any other that might play out in the same manner, would leave Admiral Janeway's timeline thouroughly intact, with the only difference being that she would be permanently absent from it and you'd have one pissed off Klingon wannabe big shot raging around for awhile. Consider this, would Kim simply present his argument to Janeway, in person no less, as a case basically, of uncertainty about the outcome and the breaking of rules, if he knew his universe was about to be annihilated? Wouldn't he just come aboard the shuttle and stun Janeway, or if lacking that possibility, be forced to, without equivocation, to just destroy it? In fact, he even says that "If Starfleet Command finds out I had anything to do with this, they'll demote me back to Ensign." That hardly sounds like the concern of someone whose 24th century knowledge of temporal mechanics, tells him unreservedly that what you state as fact, is even the realm of possibility.


I would've preferred Voyager to wrap up unfinished business between the Kazon and the Ocampa; have Kes return to send Voyager back where it all started 70,000 light years to battle an eminent threat, possibly the female caretaker and the rogue Ocampas, where the Kazon and Ocampa join with Voyager; together to defeat the bad guys and finally make peace with the Kazons.

I've just very recently posted that a truly appropriate conclusion to the series, would be closing the circle, having Voyager's salvation come from Kes herself. You don't state it, but I'm assuming that following the action you describe, you would also have Kes send them back to the AQ. Perhaps not. In my estimation, there wouldn't be any need for Voyager to return to Ocampa. The scenario that you propose, just doesn't seem likely. Why would Suspiria and her acolytes return to Ocampa and threaten it, as seems to be the gist of your point? To prevent the development of any other natives that would develop the superior powers that Kes did to drive them off? No, it just doesn't seem to make sense. Also, at the same time, Suspiria seemed surprisingly impressed with Janeway's expression of mercy and forgiveness. I just don't see a reappearance of her to be presented as being a vengeful adversary as before. In fact, in the various possibilities that I've run through my mind as to how Kes would be brought back to make a final loving and perhaps dying gesture, one included Suspiria encountering Voyager in deadly straits against the Borg, and that she would be the instrument that would expedite having Kes become aware of the situation and be brought into the fulcrum of the action.

Unfortunately though, I don't think that any such resolution involving Kes or returning to the fate of the Ocampans, was likely ever considered. First, Kes had already performed such a feat to remove Voyager from imminent danger and to have such an occurrence happen again would probably be seen as simply unacceptably repetitive. More to the point, I really see that the final act that would serve as the ship's salvation, if that was indeed the intention, would have to integrally involve, if not depend on the program's signature character, the one who really provided the only significant degree of distinctiveness from what had come before in the franchise, and would need to be achieved against the series' signature antagonist. That it was conceived with the twist that was presented, was just an irresistible sweetener, I imagine, to TPTB. Anything less than this kind of denouement, would almost certainly have borne the risk of presenting a finale, that in their calculus I would think, had a great chance of being received as underwhelming, lackluster, and unworthy in one way or other to a great deal of the audience that had stuck around that long, just to see how things were going to be wrapped up.
 
I've just very recently posted that a truly appropriate conclusion to the series, would be closing the circle, having Voyager's salvation come from Kes herself.
Truly is subjective, and I guess people who had a thought on how the series should end had a perfect tale in their head.
 
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You don't state it, but I'm assuming that following the action you describe, you would also have Kes send them back to the AQ.

Not at all. I wouldn't reveal it but I would have had something special for them. Maybe they go home or maybe they wouldn't. Doing the right thing should be the emphasis to my Voyager ending regardless of the reward.
 
In my estimation, there wouldn't be any need for Voyager to return to Ocampa. The scenario that you propose, just doesn't seem likely. Why would Suspiria and her acolytes return to Ocampa and threaten it, as seems to be the gist of your point?

It would determine how imaginative I could get.

To prevent the development of any other natives that would develop the superior powers that Kes did to drive them off? No, it just doesn't seem to make sense. Also, at the same time, Suspiria seemed surprisingly impressed with Janeway's expression of mercy and forgiveness. I just don't see a reappearance of her to be presented as being a vengeful adversary as before.

From your wild assumptions from the tidbits of my plot, I can see why you thought it wouldn't make sense.

In fact, in the various possibilities that I've run through my mind as to how Kes would be brought back to make a final loving and perhaps dying gesture, one included Suspiria encountering Voyager in deadly straits against the Borg, and that she would be the instrument that would expedite having Kes become aware of the situation and be brought into the fulcrum of the action.

Yeah, that's your mind. The Borg, to me, will always be TNG villains, and Voyager desperately adopted them because the writers and producers didn't have any faith in their own concept.

Unlike you, for a finale, I felt the crew's journey should mean something. Were their travels through the Delta Quadrant fate or happenstance? What did they learn? If there were a desperate call for Voyager to return all the way back to where they originally started, would they go back? Which could mean they'll spend the rest of their lives there. It would bring back a similar situation in the pilot before Janeway destroyed the array. Where B'Elanna vehemently argued with Janeway not to do it. As Chakotay stopped her she says to him, "Who is she to be making these decisions for all of us?" That was the spark for my tale. If the Ocampas and Kazons were in an equal threat and Kes calls Janeway for help. I would have Janeway have an emotional expression looking directly into B'Elanna's face.

Of course it's a different B'Elanna but the feelings about it would be there. Would Janeway make the decision to go or would she allow the crew to debate it?

Unfortunately though, I don't think that any such resolution involving Kes or returning to the fate of the Ocampans, was likely ever considered. First, Kes had already performed such a feat to remove Voyager from imminent danger and to have such an occurrence happen again would probably be seen as simply unacceptably repetitive.

I found Voyager's series finale unacceptable, and it cemented it as TNG wannabe.
 
Well, as you've filled things in a bit, to the extent that it's possible that Voyager doesn't return to the AQ at all, your meaning of a more imaginative, less conventional ending does definitely have more of a resonance, though you're still keeping your cards somewhat close to the vest, which I find rather interesting. One thing that I didn't mention that might also obviate the need for Voyager's return, is that Kes on her own might very well still be likely to handle Suspiria and her Ocampans, though she is getting up there in age, as per our previous view of her, she seemed to have decided not to extend her life span or perhaps simply didn't acquire the knowledge to do so.
 
But what if Kes did? What if I decided to use Kes from the timelines from "Before and After"? Who's to say time lines could not be fractured by all of the time manipulations done through out the Voyager series? To me, there should be some consequences to these time travel ventures. What if Kes' powers could manipulate warp probabilities because there's several of her, 3 or 4, through the space time continuum? It's something I would've explored.
 
1. TNG: Finale was almost perfect, bringing things full circle. It's telling to me that AGT ranks better than almost all of the TNG movies, except for First Contact.
2. DS9: While not completely as perfect an ending as AGT, WYLB was pretty close. It brought the war to the close, Captain Sisko reached his destiny, but yet we didn't get to see Bajor admitted to the Federation, so there was a sense that the story continued, even in a sense that TNG did not.
3. VOY: I thought this story was too derivative of AGT. It had good production values, but the story didn't really do much for me. That being said, some of the character moments were nice.
4. ENT: The weakest of the Trek finales that I've seen. It sucked that the ENT crew was shunted aside for Riker and Troi (even though I like Riker and Troi more than the ENT crew) and the story didn't feel epic enough for a finale. They did try to make it larger with the captains' voiceover at the end, but it didn't quite work up the emotions like it should have. A punched up "Terra Prime" arc could've worked better as an ending.

I need to watch "Turnabout Intruder" again to really figure out where it ranks.
 
Best television series also had the best finale out of all Star Trek series, 'All Good Things...', need I say more?

One of the best things about it was that things didn't change, mission continued as usual. It doesn't have the "last episode feeling".
 
TNG by a comfortable margin for me. If I had to rank them it would be: TNG>DS9>VOY>TOS>ENT.

That is a bit different from my overall series preference though: TOS>TNG>DS9>ENT>VOY.
 
My listing might come off as strange to, well. Everybody.
1. All Good Things (It was perfect to me, a great sci-fi romp that brought the "family" even closer together as they continued on with the missions we grew to love)
2. Enterprise (Stop yelling, I can't help it, I see it as a bonus TNG episode, even if it doesn't fit in with the episode it's supposed to portray)
4. DS9 (It was 50% perfect, 50% not at all, Kira should have defeated Dukat as her rivalry with him was more layered than Sisko's, but then he became such a cartoon that it didn't matter anymore... anyways)
5. TOS (It wasn't an awful episode)
6. Voyager (How selfish was future Janeway, potentially destroying EVERYBODY'S timeline just because she missed a few people and couldn't let go, something every person ever born has had to do, totally cheating and ruining all the drama of seeing how our heroes would finally get home after 7 years. In Voyager with Batmobile armour, no less.)
 
TOS didn't have a finale.
TNG's finale, like it's first episode, suffered from the used of 'Q'. Reliance on an omnipotent being which is lazy writing, even when he make the Captain utter, 'merde'.
DS9's finale wrapped up the threads and brought it back to elements touched on in the opening episode. Bravo!
Voyager's finale was the spectacular fullfillment of the entire series making it the best finale without regard to which was the best series.
Enerprise' finale was cobbled together.
 
I would say TNG's "All Good Things" was one of the few times that they actually used Q well. Q's role in it was more like one of the Gods in a Greek myth. Taunting, questioning, judging, annoying, threatening, but not really doing anything direct. He had a deliberate menace that we had not seen in years, but at the same time came across as ultimately somewhat sympathetic. No comic relief or stupid parlor tricks. He was watching his pets like a child watches an anthill. Still far less lazy writing than the idiotic looping time paradoxes and using Time Travel as the deus ex machina to solve all of Voyagers problems.
 
I did like AGT, but the fact that it wasn't "real" marks it down somewhat. Picard remembered what happened, but aside from that the majority of the episode was a reset button.

Endgame was time-travel related and pointless. So many ways to have finished the season, at least it wasn't a reset button though.

Enterprise was an imaginary episode, and Turnabout Intruder wasn't a series finale, so WYLB is the only "real" ending as far as I'm concerned, even if I prefered AGT as an episode.
 
I did like AGT, but the fact that it wasn't "real" marks it down somewhat. Picard remembered what happened, but aside from that the majority of the episode was a reset button.

If someone has an adventure on their own, remembers it and uses the lessons learned to grow and change, is that not as important and real as a shared adventure that others remember?

Honest question, are episodes like "Inner Light" and "The Visitor" looked down on as well since they pretty much end where they started, at least along a timeline.
 
I don't believe they're "looked down on" (heck, I love both Inner Light and Visitor), but I think it's a legitimate concern that the episodes don't ultimately have any impact on any of our characters except for the ones who directly experience the events and "survive" them.

They may not be full "reset button" episodes, but they're at least...er..."restart button" episodes.
 
If someone has an adventure on their own, remembers it and uses the lessons learned to grow and change, is that not as important and real as a shared adventure that others remember?

Honest question, are episodes like "Inner Light" and "The Visitor" looked down on as well since they pretty much end where they started, at least along a timeline.

I like individual episodes (Yesterday's Enterprise too, and to be honest year of hell wasn't that bad), and as an individual episode AGT is great - even got OBrien and Yar in it, only thing missing was Wesley, however a series finale should be an ensemble piece, not just from who's in it, but from how it affects people.
 
I quite liked Voyager's finale even if it's a little derivative of All Good Things. It's overall series could use some work but the last episode was good. AGT reigns supreme though.
 
I like individual episodes (Yesterday's Enterprise too, and to be honest year of hell wasn't that bad), and as an individual episode AGT is great - even got OBrien and Yar in it, only thing missing was Wesley, however a series finale should be an ensemble piece, not just from who's in it, but from how it affects people.

That makes sense. But could also be the point of the last scene, Picard playing cards for the first time with his "family" that would never have happened otherwise (or so we can surmise). Ultimately that affected them all. Sure, it was only one scene, but it was a powerful way to wrap it up, I think.

Just my 2 cents, not trying to be argumentative. :beer:
 
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