Babylon 5
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Zathras can. But not Zathras.
Kosh: "Good."
Just finished "War Without End" Parts 1 & 2. Talk about a mind blower! Time travel gives me a headache. I think I understand what just happened, but some things I either don't understand, or there are some things I'm not meant to understand... yet. Great show. However, this is one show you have to of seen from the start, or you'd be totally lost.
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Remember your question about watching specific episodes and if you can skip the first season? This episode is the reason why you can't. There were hints in the first season (Even in The Gathering) that get addressed in this episode. If there was one thing I loved about Babylon 5 more than any other show, it was that they knew how to write resolutions and just blow you away with those resolutions. My favorite episode, The Long Twilight Struggle, shows the Narn/Centuri war coming to ahead, and while Londo spearheaded it, the look he gives while on the ship is such an iconic punch in the gut, and you feel the same way because you've watched this series develop to the point where it's almost like you're immersed in that world. The same can be said about Severed Dreams, and how that concluded the awesome trilogy of Point of No Return, Messages from Earth, and then Severed Dreams. Yeah, there are episodes that set things up and may feel not important, but B5 had such a way to pay off different things that it was a very rewarding show because of it.
I love IE, possibly more than Severed Dreams actually.
Let's just say that there are reasons why what happens, happens. I can't quite remember whether the episodes themselves make this more clear.
I will say that if you ever read the Techomage trilogy of novels you get Kosh's perspective on a number of events.
Don't tell me if it spoils anything, but two things stick out that I don't get. One, Sinclair goes into a cocoon, like Delenn did, and came out a Minabari... came out THE Minbari. I got that he was their great leader from the past, the one whose death started the Earth/Minbari war, right? How did his transformation on B4 happen so fast? Also, when discovered by the Minbari, he is found with two Vorlons, in their angel forms... where did they come from? Again, if it's a spoiler for a future episode, don't tell me. Thanks.
We don't know exactly how long Sinclair took to transform. We only saw the first and last parts of the process. From his perspective it could have taken as long as Delenn did.
As to who those Vorlons are and where they came from? We have no idea. A lot of fans seem to assume that they are the same ones from the rest of the show (i.e. Kosh I and II) but there's no proof of this.
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Patrick Stewart had a similar talent on Star Trek. Sometimes he says something that comes across as sounding brilliant or witty that would have just been groan worthy from McFadden or Frakes.
Sinclair/Velen's death didn't start the Earth Minbari War, Dukhat's did. They're different characters, separated by a thousand years.
Actually, those are two different Minbari, Sinclair became Valen, while the one whose death caused the war was Dukat.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Valen's ultimate fate is unknown, isn't it? I thought I remember one episode saying that he just disappeared and they never found his body.
"I'm turning Minbari, I think I'm turning Minbari, I really think so"
"I'm turning Minbari, I think I'm turning Minbari, I really think so"
We are all Kosh.
Both of them have the 'Ulkesh' encounter suit so at least one of them isn't the Kosh we knew firstl
I think that's part of JMS' commentary.
Well, you got your answers about Dukhat and Valen so let's try this theory about the Vorlons finding B4 a thousand years ago. The Vorlon told them to come find it. When Jeff leaves Minbar a Vorlon told the Minbari after Jeff left that he's the closed circle. The Vorlons have known all along in the present who Sinclair is. Very likely, that Vorlon gave him something to signal the Vorlons in the past when B4 shows up? I wonder if the scarcity of Minbari records about that Shadow War Era might have been from Vorlon and Sinclair messing about so this little time loop doesn't get screwed up?
Just finished "Z'ah'Dum" the end of season 3. I've already ordered season 4... and 5. Does this show have a memorable finale? One that does it justice? I was very disappointed by the finale of Lost and The Sopranos. I REALLY want this show to have a satisfactory conclusion.
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