I love how if the old EU did something then Disney has to do it too.
Star Wars: The Force Awakens Discussion (HERE THERE BE SPOILERS)
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I love how if the old EU did something then Disney has to do it too.
Even with the old EU decanonized I always pictured him getting out of the Sarlacc and surviving. His body armor and weapons were still fully functional and unless something happened to compromise both after he fell inside he'd eventually blast, cut and crawl his way out even if it took a while.
I'm a bit jealous. I only got to see it twice.
Looking forward to the Blu-Ray release.
This was my second time. I'm hoping to go once more before it exits theaters.
Two or three times in the theater is enough for most movies no matter how good they are, especially with current ticket prices. The Blu ray release is only two months away and then I can watch it as often as I like!
We took my Mother-in-Law for her birthday yesterday and my eight-year old tagged along for his second time seeing it as well.
It's always good when you can take someone else with you.
I'm sticking with the theory that she's the daughter of the other character until we're told otherwise. The psychic and powerful connection to Anakin's and Luke's lightsaber makes me feel she's a Skywalker, but not their kid.
I finally saw the film. And I don't know what to make of it. It heavily borrows from the first film. Like someone else' take of that film. It even has a scene which says another Death Star. No this one's bigger. 
There is a trench run, but it's not what I thought from reading previous spoilers. But I can live with that. My biggest complaint, and one of many modern films is it focuses too much on visually telling the story. There needs to be more exposition. And a film maker cannot rely on the expanded universe, ie novel and comic tie ins to make up that short fall. Most people don't even read them. One of the single biggest scenes that made no since and could have been handled better was the destruction of Hosnian Prime. There is know way they would be able to visually witness that from Mazz Katana's world.
Let me start with Rey. I like her. The actress does very well. She's a little too good for believable movie characters. By good I mean it seems like she does everything and the other characters don't contribute much to save themselves from the latest crisis. She saves Finn. She fixes the hyper-drive while Han is fumbling around. She escapes on her own. It's a bit much. How many times did someone save Luke's butt before Jedi? In typical JJ fashion she advances to quickly. Can we say Cadet Kirk to Captian Kirk in 60 seconds? A person, who believed the Force and Luke were all a myth.She did pull that saber. In fact. she out force pulled Ren. She defeats him in a duel. Wounded or not. Ren took out a trained solder(Finn) pretty quickly. One can assume all Storm Troopers were trained to fight Jedi. She surely didn't know about all the Jedi abilities. Yet she figures out how to use them on her own in a matter of hours? Neither Luke nor Anakin did that.
Kylo Ren makes no sense. you can understand Anakin's fall. He was older when he started training. His master was a novice. And the Sith had been considered extinct for a long time. The Jedi became arrogant and complacent. But Kylo Ren came along right after the fall of Palpatine, Vader and their Empire. You would think the danger of the Darkside would have been drilled in. I cannot see a motivation for his fall. I read somewhere the novel claims it was Daddy issues. Daddy doesn't live up to his heroic legend. At least he doesn't kill every Imperial Redshirt who fails him. He just cuts rooms to pieces with this unstable light broadsword. I guess since he struck his father down, his journey to the Darkside is complete. Actually I'm more interested in learning about his master than I am about him.
Finn and Po were pretty good. Although Po doesn't get much screen time. And Finn doesn't know what to do half the time. Except pine for Rey. And I really liked BB-8.
There is a trench run, but it's not what I thought from reading previous spoilers. But I can live with that. My biggest complaint, and one of many modern films is it focuses too much on visually telling the story. There needs to be more exposition. And a film maker cannot rely on the expanded universe, ie novel and comic tie ins to make up that short fall. Most people don't even read them. One of the single biggest scenes that made no since and could have been handled better was the destruction of Hosnian Prime. There is know way they would be able to visually witness that from Mazz Katana's world.Let me start with Rey. I like her. The actress does very well. She's a little too good for believable movie characters. By good I mean it seems like she does everything and the other characters don't contribute much to save themselves from the latest crisis. She saves Finn. She fixes the hyper-drive while Han is fumbling around. She escapes on her own. It's a bit much. How many times did someone save Luke's butt before Jedi? In typical JJ fashion she advances to quickly. Can we say Cadet Kirk to Captian Kirk in 60 seconds? A person, who believed the Force and Luke were all a myth.She did pull that saber. In fact. she out force pulled Ren. She defeats him in a duel. Wounded or not. Ren took out a trained solder(Finn) pretty quickly. One can assume all Storm Troopers were trained to fight Jedi. She surely didn't know about all the Jedi abilities. Yet she figures out how to use them on her own in a matter of hours? Neither Luke nor Anakin did that.
Kylo Ren makes no sense. you can understand Anakin's fall. He was older when he started training. His master was a novice. And the Sith had been considered extinct for a long time. The Jedi became arrogant and complacent. But Kylo Ren came along right after the fall of Palpatine, Vader and their Empire. You would think the danger of the Darkside would have been drilled in. I cannot see a motivation for his fall. I read somewhere the novel claims it was Daddy issues. Daddy doesn't live up to his heroic legend. At least he doesn't kill every Imperial Redshirt who fails him. He just cuts rooms to pieces with this unstable light broadsword. I guess since he struck his father down, his journey to the Darkside is complete. Actually I'm more interested in learning about his master than I am about him.
Finn and Po were pretty good. Although Po doesn't get much screen time. And Finn doesn't know what to do half the time. Except pine for Rey. And I really liked BB-8.
One of the core rules of film-making is "don't tell what you can show." This is a visual medium.
I understood the movie just fine without any extra expository dialog to bog things down, and without having to read any tie-in materials.
And there's no way Spock could have seen the destruction of Vulcan from Delta Vega in ST09. Apparently, this is just something that JJ Abrams likes to do. It is what it is.
Kor
Yes I know he did it ST09. Didn't like it there either. Unless it was a moon. But I think the film said it was planet Delta Vega. Doesn't mean I'm going to excuse it. I would have the same complaint if Lucas did that. At least we don't have to worry about JJ going back and making never ending changes to the film.
As for exposition, they didn't visually show why Kylo Ren fell to the Darkside and hated his father. They didn't say or show why the Republic that rose after the fall of the Empire would be so complacent when it comes to the First Order.
As for exposition, they didn't visually show why Kylo Ren fell to the Darkside and hated his father. They didn't say or show why the Republic that rose after the fall of the Empire would be so complacent when it comes to the First Order.
We don't need to know.
The Republic/Resistance/First Order dynamic is described just fine in the opening crawl as well as Hux's big speech.
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They didn't, and yet the movie works just fine that it isn't fully explained yet (if ever). While I do want to know why Kylo fell to the dark side, it isn't important in understanding the narrative of the hero's journey of Rey and Finn. I'm sure we will get a backstory in that in the later movies.
As for the Republic and the Empire, why does it matter that's not fully explained? We didn't know much about the Empire or the Republic in the original trilogy, yet those movies works great without it.
I want to know. It was OK for the originals, because they were original works.. The back story was vague. The originals exist. We know the story there. We saw what happens There needs to be a motivation for what the characters of the sequels do following the fall of the Empire. It makes no sense for the New Republic to not be more active and defensive in preventing the rise of another one. It makes even less sense for Ben Solo to fall to the Darkside. As I said, it should have been drilled into him about the danger and reality of his Grandfather's legacy.
The story must make sense. Somethings just don't work for me. And somethings cannot easily be explained visually.
The story must make sense. Somethings just don't work for me. And somethings cannot easily be explained visually.
