CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

[Squiggy]

Peters got stars in his eyes once the first Kickstarter was so successful. The previous plan wasn't good enough and it had to be bigger, flasher, and better. As long as there was no one saying otherwise he had so one to talk him down from his pedestal.

As far as he's concerned this is exactly what the country has been yearning for since BOBW.

 

[jespah]

I think the problem here is, even if they are working on the movie, it seems like all of what we're hearing and seeing is about stuff other than the actual work on the movie. It's starting to seem like the movie has become a secondary concern to building up Ares Studios, which I don't think was even part of the original plan.
I understand what Dennis is saying about this stuff taking time, but you still can't help but wonder if they had stuck to the original plan if the movie would have already been out by now.

In all fairness, the stipulation extending time to answer prohibits 'shooting or filming'.

 

[Therin of Andor]

He even ADDS species that are protected under copyright and that weren't listed in the original lawsuit. What possible purpose would that serve?

Nah. Tellerites are NOT Tellarites.

 

[Michael Hinman]

Can that kind of law be made at a state level, or does this necessarily begin climbing the federal courts if Axanar somehow prevailed?

This is already in the federal court. This was filed in U.S. District Court, where copyright claims would have to be filed, I believe (because copyright law is a federal statute).

 

[Michael Hinman]

In all fairness, the stipulation extending time to answer prohibits 'shooting or filming'.

Is the stipulation available?

 

[Professor Zoom]

Ego + inexperience = no hard work.

Not always. Could be a lot of unfocused work. Could be a lot of unnecessary work. Could be a lot of low quality work.

You are making assumptions from how you think things should be.

 

[Maurice]

Not always. Could be a lot of unfocused work. Could be a lot of unnecessary work. Could be a lot of low quality work.

You are making assumptions from how you think things should be.

E-yup.

 

[muCephi]

I think Axanar's biggest problem is a lack of cohesion. Every time something goes wrong, they have five different people with five different excuses. Which should shake everyone's faith in the project, especially those who donated.

I think Axanar's biggest problem, aside from the obvious one with profiting, is that they have a million bucks and a mandate to give die hard fans "real Trek". This can only mean "exactly what we've seen before and liked, with nothing unfamiliar, just like we remember it", and a million bucks guarantees it will be such a perfect copy that it is shut down.

 

[Mudd]

You've just described the fan mentality in a nutshell - not just Trek fans, but just about any superfans: what they love is the thing as it is or as they remember it...over and over, forever.

 

[Maurice]

Fans don't know what they want until someone gives it to them. That's because they're mostly consumers, not creators.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

Fan don't know what they want until someone gives it to them. That's because they're mostly consumers, not creators.

This. So much this.

 

[Admiral Cain]

In all fairness, the stipulation extending time to answer prohibits 'shooting or filming'.

Did the stipulation preclude marketing? Can't remember.

 

[Nerys Myk]

So they were planning a novelization? They were really going all out. How about action figures and comic book adaptations?

 

[fireproof78]

So they were planning a novelization? They were really going all out. How about action figures and comic book adaptations?

Well, on the actions figures, they need to do another KS for the 3D printer to really make that viable. Hopefully in time for Axa-con.

 

[Harvey]

Well, on the actions figures, they need to do another KS for the 3D printer to really make that viable. Hopefully in time for Axa-con.

I realize this is in jest, but they really were planning another Kickstarter (or two?) to launch their unlicensed Star Trek novels -- it's all outlined in their most recent annual report.

Remember when this was about making a fan film?

 

[carlosp]

The current holders of licenses for Star Trek books and games may have something to say (legally) about Axanar planning on infringing on their exclusive licenses, for which they paid a pretty penny, mind you.

It astounds me, this sense of entitlement that makes them believe they can just create this clearly commercial movie-and-merchandise operation and think that being "fans" and taking "donations" somehow shields them from legal action for trading off other people's property.

 

[Admiral Cain]

Oh dear, just stahp already. I am embarrassed for everyone.

 

[Admiral Cain]

*Meaning the Peters camp, geez*

 

[fireproof78]

I realize this is in jest, but they really were planning another Kickstarter (or two?) to launch their unlicensed Star Trek novels -- it's all outlined in their most recent annual report.

Remember when this was about making a fan film?

Really?

Truth is stranger than fiction, I guess. I mean...wow...O_o

The current holders of licenses for Star Trek books and games may have something to say (legally) about Axanar planning on infringing on their exclusive licenses, for which they paid a pretty penny, mind you.

It astounds me, this sense of entitlement that makes them believe they can just create this clearly commercial movie-and-merchandise operation and think that being "fans" and taking "donations" somehow shields them from legal action.

I have to agree. The level of disconnect from the reality and potential consequences is staggering to me. Entitlement doesn't seem to be a big enough word.

 

[jamestyler]

You've just described the fan mentality in a nutshell - not just Trek fans, but just about any superfans: what they love is the thing as it is or as they remember it...over and over, forever.

This is a very fair point I've been trying to hammer home elsewhere. Think Trek fandoms bad? Have a look at wrestling - they've exceeded all Trek fandoms worst sides

I'd probably give you a shitty fan film that cost $50,000 and take the rest of the money and go somewhere tropical!

If you need an experienced producer, I have Windows movie maker and need a new carpet so I'd be on board with that.

I understand what Dennis is saying about this stuff taking time, but you still can't help but wonder if they had stuck to the original plan if the movie would have already been out by now.

Peters outright said it would have been in the December report. But he wanted more than just another fan film....

But thats the thing - it may take time to build a multi-million dollar studio (TM Burnett) from scratch, it may (in my opinion should) take a lot less to build what they need to build - but this is not something that they need, but something they wanted - and Peters has pointed out on numerous occasions that want goes beyond the thing he used to raise the funding.

I don't believe for a second that his version of working hard actually means it - does his 60 hour weeks also count the time he spends scrolling the internet for bad comments? - but it's very clear that whatever he's working on, Axanar itself is secondary; building his egopire is the first and foremost thing on his mind.