CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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I'd probably give you a shitty fan film that cost $50,000 and take the rest of the money and go somewhere tropical!
It looks to me like there's been a lot of progress in pre-production, never mind the carpet. And again, based on my own experience doing this stuff I'm pretty confident that most of them are doing their best to make something really, really nice here.
The team is not well-led.
It's a funny thing that, depending on resources, pre- and post-production can stretch on for months (or years!) whereas the thing that most people think of as movie-making - the part where actors sit in make-up chairs, stand in front of cameras, someone calls out "action!" and "cut!" and then everyone descends on craft services - will consist of a few days or weeks sandwiched between those two.
This stuff is Federal law, which is where the lawsuit is. If this exception is carved out, though, it would probably be limited. We are talking about a pretty big change here. So it might be just for the California Central District or eventually the Ninth Circuit. Big enough question and enough appeals? You could end up on the Supreme Court docket (but they can refuse to hear it by not granting a writ of certiorari. Four Justices are required to have such a writ granted).
If a new precedent requiring copyright waiver/assertion won the day, then I imagine we would end up with a difference among circuits and the Supreme Court will sometimes step in and hear those kinds of cases because they want to create national uniformity and there would have been a circuit split.
I keep hearing you say "based on my experience." Does this experience involve 3 years and more than a million dollars?
Because unless it does, I don't give your take on this much credence.
They've not been working hard on this film, in my opinion. They've been working hard creating a studio.
Big difference.
Because unless it does, I don't give your take on this much credence.
They've not been working hard on this film, in my opinion. They've been working hard creating a studio.
Big difference.
Give me enough money and enough scientists and I'll cure cancer. I'm pretty sure I can do that, despite not being a doctor and all, because <jezza>How Hard Can It Be?</jezza>
Ask James Cawley, Vic Mignona, and Tommy Kraft.
All right, then, if that's your reasoning - cite for me your specific experience in these areas that would be cause for me to give your opinion any credence at all.
Over the last twenty years I've observed and participated, in small ways, in professional studio television productions in L.A. and in low budget independent movies of various kinds in several states. It doesn't amount to much, but I do know from putting pen to paper and nail to hammer somewhat how these things work.
BTW, main construction began on those sets Vic uses these days back in 2009 and involved a great many people working for a long time before he even knew they existed.
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Thank you.
This. Without a support system, it takes a long time to make a movie, from beginning to end. And if you have a leader with zero experience who thinks they know everything?
I'm not going to slag off on them for not having sets built, they aren't using union labors, they--it seems--aren't throwing money at the problem of building sets.
Ultimately, slagging off on them for this stuff... it's because we are out of stuff to complain about. Feb 22 isn't far away.
Yeah, pretty much.
I don't see avarice in this project so much as a praise-seeking ego run out of control.
Yeah. Agreed. It's ego meeting total inexperience in something like this.
I'm not asking you to give my opinion any credence. But you're asking me to give credence to yours.
Ego + inexperience = no hard work.
That doesn't make any sense. It means that he doesn't understand how to efficiently use his resources.
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I think the problem here is, even if they are working on the movie, it seems like all of what we're hearing and seeing is about stuff other than the actual work on the movie. It's starting to seem like the movie has become a secondary concern to building up Ares Studios, which I don't think was even part of the original plan.
I understand what Dennis is saying about this stuff taking time, but you still can't help but wonder if they had stuck to the original plan if the movie would have already been out by now.
I understand what Dennis is saying about this stuff taking time, but you still can't help but wonder if they had stuck to the original plan if the movie would have already been out by now.
Nah, it's not mutually exclusive. You can have an ego the size of Wyoming and no credits to your name and still work hard. Would it be good? Probably not, but that doesn't mean you didn't work hard trying to do that awful thing.
Anywho, was RMB using "passion" as an excuse to break the law? I'm pretty sure that Bonnie and Clyde passionately worked hard at what they did - but it was still illegal.
By stating your opinions are correct and Dennis's are not, you are, in fact, asking people to give your opinion credence.
Personally, speaking as a producer—and admittedly seeing this from the outside—it looks like team Axanar has completely mismanaged this thing. That's not to say some people haven't been working very hard on it, just that there's a difference between working hard and working smart.
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