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Spoilers Supergirl - Season 1

The multiverse is an intrinsic part of the premise of The Flash. Since they're crossing over, it will become an intrinsic part of Supergirl's premise. With that device, they are even potentially free to integrate on some level with the JL movie continuity. That's pretty cool.
 
Can Supergirl crossover by herself?

She's fast, but is she that fast?

But Barry doesn't use speed to cossover.

He has to blow up a time portal.

Although the tech they're using to close breaches currently should be able to be used to open new breaches.
 
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Admiral2 said:
Yes. It's deliberately taking the hardest route to do something that should actually be a no brainer.

Marvel Cinematic Universe (IM, Thor, Cap, Ant-Man, Guardians), Marvel Network shows (Agents of Shield, Agent Carter), Marvel XD cartoons (Spider Man, Hulk, Avengers, Guardians), Marvel Netflix shows (Daredevil, Jessica Jones). Different staffs, different media, different distribution formats...

ONE UNIVERSE. Period. If Jessica Jones wants to play tourist at the Avengers tower she doesn't have to conquer the speed force and run through dimensions. She can get on the freakin' subway to Manhattan.

It's stupid if this is CBS trying to keep the "Super" brand exclusive to CBS because it's already not exclusive to CBS. Building some super mentions into the CW shows would have laid the groundwork nicely for this crossover and allowed more characters to participate...and Barry could freakin' just run to National City. And Kara could easily fly to star or Central Cities. And Cat could kill herself trying to unmask the Green Arrow. why the hell not?

Nope. Gotta do the preTVCrisis Earth one Earth two BS.

Stupid.
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Part of the problem with putting them in the same universe is also because there histories are pretty much incompatible. It was pretty clear during the early seasons of Arrow before The Flash that there were no super powers in that universe, while in Supergirl, Superman already has an extensive history, and people seem to be pretty used to superpowers. I find it hard to believe we wouldn't have gotten some kind of references to the Supers, or at least aliens if they existed in the Arrowverse.
 
Admiral2 said:
Yes. It's deliberately taking the hardest route to do something that should actually be a no brainer.

Marvel Cinematic Universe (IM, Thor, Cap, Ant-Man, Guardians), Marvel Network shows (Agents of Shield, Agent Carter), Marvel XD cartoons (Spider Man, Hulk, Avengers, Guardians), Marvel Netflix shows (Daredevil, Jessica Jones). Different staffs, different media, different distribution formats...

ONE UNIVERSE. Period. If Jessica Jones wants to play tourist at the Avengers tower she doesn't have to conquer the speed force and run through dimensions. She can get on the freakin' subway to Manhattan.

It's stupid if this is CBS trying to keep the "Super" brand exclusive to CBS because it's already not exclusive to CBS. Building some super mentions into the CW shows would have laid the groundwork nicely for this crossover and allowed more characters to participate...and Barry could freakin' just run to National City. And Kara could easily fly to star or Central Cities. And Cat could kill herself trying to unmask the Green Arrow. why the hell not?

Nope. Gotta do the preTVCrisis Earth one Earth two BS.

Stupid.
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No. It's just a different business model. There is no one right way. If it works, it works.
 
JD said:
Part of the problem with putting them in the same universe is also because there histories are pretty much incompatible. It was pretty clear during the early seasons of Arrow before The Flash that there were no super powers in that universe...
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Or rather, that what superpowers did exist were not public knowledge. We now know that some people with paranormal abilities were active in years past -- Damien Darhk, John Constantine, Vandal Savage, Hawkman and Hawkgirl, etc. I'm sure we'll meet more historical metahumans in upcoming Legends of Tomorrow episodes. But their existence wasn't widely known until the aftermath of the Central City particle accelerator explosion.


, while in Supergirl, Superman already has an extensive history, and people seem to be pretty used to superpowers.
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And yet there don't seem to be any recognized superheroes in that world other than Superman and Supergirl. In the pilot, Kara said "Earth doesn't have just one hero anymore." So the Flash is not known in her world as of late 2015, further confirming that it isn't Earth-1.
 
I admit, I forgot about the fact that those characters you listed were around before The Flash.
 
The Flash, Arrow and Gotham are all in the Past before the start of the heroic age.

Supergirl starts 14 years after (action comics 1) Superman's coming out party, which is the future and well into the heroic age.

Although I'm guessing that both Flash/ Arrow and Supergirl say that it's 2016 right now.
 
TemporalFlux said:
I don't know why, but this crossover feels like a Plan B to me. If Supergirl gets cancelled, they will have established the Arrowverse as a place she could escape to and live on. As a precursor to the Crisis in Barry's future, Supergirl could turn out to be (or at least believe she is) the lone survivor of her universe. That then gives her a place to make guest appearances on Flash or even head up a season of Legends. If there's some kind of licensing conflict, they could probably have her adopt the name Power Girl.

I just have a feeling they're hedging their bets.
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Benoist is cute, but becoming Power Girl? She's got some pretty big... umm... you knows to fill.

Hey, did the comics ever explain why Power Girl is so much more... curvy... than Supergirl? Was Earth-2's divergence point that all women went up a cup size?

If so, looking forward to Earth-2 Caitlin as Killer Frost.
 
Artistic license? By the same token, depending on the artist, Earth-2 Superman was sometimes nearly indistinguishable from his Earth-1 counterpart, and other times was a lot stockier in homage to the way he drawn in the Golden Age.
 
Powergirl has had several different.

Currently yes she is Superman's cousin, but 10 years older than Supergirl.

A long time ago, she used to be Superman's daughter from Earth II.

For a while their she was Atlantean and all her powers were from sorcery.
 
When was she Superman's daughter? When she was introduced in the Bronze Age, she was his cousin just like Supergirl...but with the catch that she'd left Krypton at the same time via a different method, and wound up on Earth at a point when Superman was effectively old enough to be her parent. He and Lois played some role in her upbringing, I believe, but I think she aged at a slow rate in her rocket, so she didn't come to Earth as an infant...maybe a teenager, but I'm not sure offhand.
 
matthunter said:
Benoist is cute, but becoming Power Girl? She's got some pretty big... umm... you knows to fill.
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Not necessarily. A lot of live-action counterparts of busty comic-book or animation characters have toned down that attribute -- Lara Croft, for example.

Hey, did the comics ever explain why Power Girl is so much more... curvy... than Supergirl? Was Earth-2's divergence point that all women went up a cup size?
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Well, it kind of depends on who's drawing Supergirl. She tended to be drawn in a highly sexualized manner in the '90s and '00s, and her bust size went up along with most other female characters.

At any rate, I think the original idea was that Power Girl was a few years older than the still-teenaged Supergirl, so she was drawn fuller-figured to highlight that she was a full-grown woman in contrast to her more girlish counterpart.

The story goes that Wally Wood and his inker suspected that the higher-ups weren't paying attention to their work, so as a gag, they started drawing PG bigger with each issue and didn't stop until someone finally noticed. But somebody posted scans of the issues in question, and I think they debunk the myth. Wood drew her consistently throughout, allowing for differences in perspective, pose, and detail. In fact, I wouldn't really consider that body type as rendered there to be excessively curvaceous by '70s standards. The cultural obsession with skinny women hadn't really kicked in yet, so I think her proportions in those scans would've just been seen as "well-built." Her bust is ample, but is proportional to her overall body type. It's probably just a case where people's perceptions and memories got exaggerated over time, and so later artists' (and writers') renderings of the character got exaggerated along with them.
 
Bronze Age Supergirl was a college graduate and had a career by the time Power Girl came along, so she was presumably supposed to be in her early 20s at that point. If anything, Power Girl was played as being perhaps a bit younger in her early days in the 70s incarnation of All-Star Comics...they played up the "generation gap" between her and Earth-2 Superman.
 
Boobs don't want to be big, or close together.

That's all an unrealistic illusion perpetuated on idiots and the impressionable.

However...

A kryptonian with the power of flight, like kryptonians have the power of flight (closequarters telekenesis) should be able to manipulate loose/flappy flesh or even longer (groups of) strands of hair as if they were a tensile appendage.

Superman, Supergirl and Powergirl while empowered by a yellow sun, must use their flight super powers to either keep their bumcheeks pushed together into a fart proof seal, or keep their rumps spread to allow for a slow gentle causal soundless release of pent up gasses.

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CorporalCaptain said:
The multiverse is an intrinsic part of the premise of The Flash. Since they're crossing over, it will become an intrinsic part of Supergirl's premise. With that device, they are even potentially free to integrate on some level with the JL movie continuity. That's pretty cool.
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I seriously doubt that would ever happen, but I have to admit it IS kinda cool to realize that it's a possibility, and that all of these different DC worlds are now considered to be related in that way (at least according to what Zack Snyder has recently said).
 
Christopher said:
I think it's simply that the producers love bringing all the wild ideas of the comics to TV, and that includes crossovers and multiverses. I mean, the fans have been pushing for a crossover since the show was first announced. Fans love crossovers, and the producers are fans as much as we are.
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Yeah I think this was done simply because it's a really cool and fun idea, and CBS probably realized the positive buzz was worth promoting a show on another network.

And of course it probably doesn't hurt that Berlanti has a lot of pull with the network execs as well.
 
davejames said:
I seriously doubt that would ever happen, but I have to admit it IS kinda cool to realize that it's a possibility, and that all of these different DC worlds are now considered to be related in that way (at least according to what Zack Snyder has recently said).
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I don't think Snyder's "multiverse" comment really meant that they'll ever officially acknowledge onscreen that the movies and TV shows are parallel timelines in a shared continuity. It sounded more like a diplomatic way of saying "The movies will do their own thing regardless of what TV does, so don't expect any crossovers." Berlanti is using the multiverse as an in-story plot device, but I get the sense that Snyder is just using it as a shorthand for the policy of having multiple separate DC continuities instead of a single all-encompassing one like Marvel has.

Or if there ever is an onscreen acknowledgment, it'll probably be some passing reference on one of the TV shows, maybe Rip Hunter or the Flash alluding to the universe of the movies, while the movies just do their own thing and ignore the TV shows. In the same way that the Marvel shows follow the movies' lead but the movies never acknowledge the shows.
 
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