Primates in general are pretty cool.
Normally boredom-- Jaws homage burnout-- but that was a fairly nifty sequence.
Golden Age characters and Red Tornado do indeed intrigue me. I may spot check a couple of episodes.
Agent Carter - Season 2
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That's fascinating -- I never knew that. Also a cameo by the recurring radio villain who was Atom Man's creator, the mad Nazi scientist Der Teufel ("The Devil"), which they render as "Dr. Teufel." I wonder, was that an error, or a deliberate change to skirt trademark issues, like the altered spelling of "Atom Man" presumably was?
"Jarvelous!"
The parallel looks into Peggy and Whitney's pasts were interesting. Peggy got the support and encouragement to be more than what society expected, where Whitney was encouraged to use her looks and give in to society's standards..
I liked the look back into Peggy's past, but given her proficiencies in just about everything, I would have thought that she would have started training younger.
I was rather expecting to see more of Mrs. Jarvis, but she seems to have disappeared.
The parallel looks into Peggy and Whitney's pasts were interesting. Peggy got the support and encouragement to be more than what society expected, where Whitney was encouraged to use her looks and give in to society's standards..
I liked the look back into Peggy's past, but given her proficiencies in just about everything, I would have thought that she would have started training younger.
I was rather expecting to see more of Mrs. Jarvis, but she seems to have disappeared.
I saw the fate of Peggy's brother coming a mile away...or at least a flashback away.
Michael Carter?
You know that that's Booster Gold's real name.
The time traveling guardian of time, father of Rip Hunter, (also) the time traveling guardian of time.
You know that that's Booster Gold's real name.
The time traveling guardian of time, father of Rip Hunter, (also) the time traveling guardian of time.
Well almost every superhero origin story begins with a death, no? This just cements Peggy's credentials in this regard.
Yes but you're forgetting this was the 1940's. For a middle class lady like Peggy, the done thing is to go to a respectable public school (not at all the same thing as what Americans call public or state schools, quite the opposite in fact), take a respectable job suitable for an educated lady, meet a respectable man, marry said man (preferably before she starts to show), quit said job, forget said education and commence baby production, obsession with dusting and curtain preferences.
It took WWII and an awful lot of arm twisting to convince the old boys that women could do things other than cook and shout at them for being drunk.
I was expecting it to be her fiance who died. Having it be her brother made it more meaningful, I think. Although I'm not sure how I feel about the idea that the badass feminist icon Peggy Carter needed a man to convince her to break out of the conventional feminine role she'd accepted. She's already got Cap to mourn for, so this seems a little redundant.
Yeah, I was mixed with that too about Peggy's brother being the one to spur her on. But at least the real Peggy was always there from an early age.
I'd dispute the "she needed a man" interpretation of that scene. She needed someone to see her true potential have faith in her. In this case it happened to be her brother, someone she was clearly very close to growing up (he's been mentioned at least once before.) It makes no difference from a character standpoint whether said person was male or female.
Also, from a plot POV, it just wouldn't be credible that she'd know a woman in a position to recommend her to the SOE. The whole *point* is that there aren't any women in those position, so it pretty much *has* to be a man.
That all said I was still a little bit shocked to see how close Peggy came to playing along and settling down. It's hard to see her as anyone else than the fully formed character we met in TFA.
I'd also dispute loosing a brother and a would-be lover in a war being "redundant". Firstly. if you lived through WWII and only lost two people close to you, I'd say you were doing better that average. Secondly, from a dramatic and character development standpoint each of their "deaths" have an entirely different meaning to Peggy.
Loosing her brother was a loss of her past and the impetus to realise her true potential. Loosing Steve was in a sense loosing a future that might have been, and is partly what drove her to make her own future.
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I agree that Peggy would have had to have had someone's help to rise as high as she did, given the sexism of the times she lived in. I think my problem was more that I wish it hadn't of taken her brother's death for her to have reached that decision.
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Another great episode. I'm amazed at how consistently good this show is. By far, the best show on TV that I'm aware of.
I loved the flashbacks. Now we know it was Peggy's brother who recommended her for the spy biz, but he had to die before she could go down that road. No wonder she's always been so serious. Steve Rogers wasn't the first person she lost to a war.
And now Wilkes is seeing that black energy and it's trying to pull him into the same place where the rat and the other two people went. Not to mention all the people in that movie. I wonder if there's any coming back once you go. I wonder if it goes to that same alien world that Simmons was stuck on and if all those people (and one rat) are in that graveyard.
I knew that FBI guy would be nothing but trouble. Sousa said the judge he used for the warrant was under the thumb of the council, but it's pretty clear that the FBI guy is, too.
Poor Jarvis is really getting put through his paces this season, posing as a cop, getting tranquilized. What did he say? "That's a big horsie."
And Peggy's super-spy skills certainly fail when it comes to Sousa.
And there was at least one anachronism: The agent who discovered Whitney said, "That's what I'm talkin' 'bout." A bit too contemporary sounding.
I loved the flashbacks. Now we know it was Peggy's brother who recommended her for the spy biz, but he had to die before she could go down that road. No wonder she's always been so serious. Steve Rogers wasn't the first person she lost to a war.
And now Wilkes is seeing that black energy and it's trying to pull him into the same place where the rat and the other two people went. Not to mention all the people in that movie. I wonder if there's any coming back once you go. I wonder if it goes to that same alien world that Simmons was stuck on and if all those people (and one rat) are in that graveyard.
I knew that FBI guy would be nothing but trouble. Sousa said the judge he used for the warrant was under the thumb of the council, but it's pretty clear that the FBI guy is, too.
Poor Jarvis is really getting put through his paces this season, posing as a cop, getting tranquilized. What did he say? "That's a big horsie."
And Peggy's super-spy skills certainly fail when it comes to Sousa. And there was at least one anachronism: The agent who discovered Whitney said, "That's what I'm talkin' 'bout." A bit too contemporary sounding.
"Oh, mommy, it's the biggest horsey ever!" 
That's right. It's not about the logistics of it, it's about where the idea and the motivation came from. I'm uneasy with the idea that the Peggy we know isn't so much self-made as an attempt to live up to what her brother wanted. True, Michael just urged her to unleash the more aggressive, adventure-loving self that he knew was already inside her, but still, it shifts some of the impetus away from her.
RJD, I don't think it's a portal, I think it's like a small black hole that just absorbs and crushes it into a tiny area. But I don't really know either.
I agree with that, too. She was being held back by her mother's expectations and the fiancé seemed to be the culmination of those expectations. The brother was only pointing out that they weren't Peggy's own true expectations, that she was settling. He may have been able to convince her with a lot of long, boring, drawn out conversations, but this isn't TNG. And I agree, only losing two people through the war is probably doing much better than most.
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I agree with that, too. She was being held back by her mother's expectations and the fiancé seemed to be the culmination of those expectations. The brother was only pointing out that they weren't Peggy's own true expectations, that she was settling. He may have been able to convince her with a lot of long, boring, drawn out conversations, but this isn't TNG. And I agree, only losing two people through the war is probably doing much better than most.
Metatextually, we've been told that "Zero Matter" is actually the Darkforce, a thing from Marvel that I believe exists in some other dimension. So things are getting sucked into another dimension, most likely.
After all, if the mass were being compressed inside Whitney's body, then after absorbing two adult males and about a dozen rats, she'd be maybe four times her original weight by now and it would be having an effect on her mobility.
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