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"The Holiest Thing" Released
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I enjoyed parts of this episode but it has problems. The biggest problem I have with it is a problem I have most episodes of this series, it's just too long. There's nothing wrong with a 63 minute story, but there's not enough story here to justify that run time and the editing of this episode could have been much, much tighter. I don't think entire scenes have to come out, but there's a lot of 'fat' that could be trimmed to get this episode down to about 45-50 minutes. It wouldn't fix any of the story's problems, but there'd be a lot less time to think about them because the scenes won't be dragging on longer than they need to and make it a much more enjoyable viewing experience. At present, it kinda feels like a work print, everything is in there just waiting to be further refined.
And, certainly, excising the extraneous flashback bookends would buy about two minutes right there. (As David Gerrold conceded, those flashback scenes were more about production promises made to Carl Sheldon--our "Old Scotty"--than about furthering the episode's narrative.)
But, yes--there are probably lots of places where tightening the edit could be done. Sometimes "less is more."
I would have axed the TNG Scotty bookend scenes myself. IMO - It really didn't add anything to the story you were telling, and the story itself wasn't a Scotty-centric story. (That said, I'm not a big fan of TNG so mixing TNG/TOS outside of time travel FOR the story doesn't sit well with me and I freely admit that bias. On a technical level the bookend scenes were well done, but I just question the reason for their inclusion in the first place.)
Too bad you were overruled, Greg.
Yes the 24th century bookends could be cut, but other cuts inside the main arc would have been better. Mixing TNG and TOS needs not to be done, except I do not mind seeing Carl as Older Scott.
Yes the 24th century bookends could be cut, but other cuts inside the main arc would have been better. Mixing TNG and TOS needs not to be done, except I do not mind seeing Carl as Older Scott.
Yeah, its amazing how much Carl *looks* like Scotty. One of the best bits of casting I've seen on the show, for sure. Its too bad the Renegades guys don't grab him for a 24th century cameo with Koenig.
Yeah, Old Scotty was uncanny in his resemblance. Very fine job there.
It's not my cup of tea because those fan-series (Phase II, Farragut, and STC) never captured the stories, beats, and themes of the classic Star Trek like Starship Exeter 's 2 episodes did so wonderfully. The look or aesthetics are fine, but they will always be compared to the real thing for me. Where Exeter does great is create a pocket world where their stories could exist in the classic Star Trek universe, and I appreciate their originality and sense of adventure. The other fanfilms I've mentioned feels more like TNG stories set in the TOS world. I would love to see 1 more adventure with Exeter, as for the others, I just don't care if they come out or not.
Never saw Starship Exeter until now and I couldn't agree more. It felt like watching a TOS episode like no other fan film I've seen.
That's what [collectively] we were aiming for. We wanted it to feel like 1969 all over again. That's a goal I don't think any fanfilm group embraced quite as firmly as the Exeter people did. Most other 'retro" shows either consciously or unconsciously borrow a lot from what came after in terms of continuity or tone.
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Looking at the results of some of the creative decisions over the years, I think Cawley should probably listen to his team a little more. Seriously. :/
Very enjoyable!
Daren Dochterman (director of "The Holiest Thing") released the version of the episode that had been minutes away from release two years ago. (Folks may remember that it was nearly released back on Saint Valentine's Day of 2014. It had been pulled back at the last minute for nearly two year's worth of reworking and post-production fixes.)
For better or worse, this is the February, 2014 pre-"fixed" version as Daren had originally put it all together.
For better or worse, this is the February, 2014 pre-"fixed" version as Daren had originally put it all together.
Greg, is this the version that was shown at Trek Trax Atlanta in April 2014?
Yes it is.
I like the more "subtle" ending with Kirk and Carol in this version than the ham-fisted version in the final cut.
Watching this now, just about to the end. I haven't seen it since the revised ending, but I have to say I think I like this cut better than the "official" release.
Either way, it's one of the better episodes. Jeff Quinn is in my opinion the best Spock they've had. Even standing side by side with Walter Koenig, Andy Bray was Chekov.
It's a great piece of work, and everyone involved is to be commended.
I posted about this the other day, but it may have been on imbd. That is by far, the most amazing P2 episode I have ever seen; the mood and atmosphere are fantastic, and Cawley's Kirk has never commanded such presence. Awesome stuff.
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