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Spoilers Supergirl - Season 1

Christopher said:
This is the second time Cat has told Lucy that she was the prettier sister. Is Cat flirting with her?
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If so, it's only to get back at Lois for spurning her past advances. What, you think Cat's mad-on for Lois is motivated purely by professional rivalry?
Gryffindorian said:
If you thought freezing the water was ridiculous, I thought her "super suck" power was absurd. I've never seen Superman do a reverse "super breath" to clear some poisonous gas from a room.
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davejames said:
We've actually seen that superpower a lot, whether on the old 50s Superman or L&C or Superboy...
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Also the comics, including one of Byrne's stories, in which Supes went all the way into space to exhale it (think it was nerve gas).
 
Overall, I liked the Toyman episode "Childish Things." I agree that it seemed kinda dark. Toyman's deeds were effectively creepy, including Supergirl believing there was a little girl in danger while it was really just a toy and Toyman sending the message to his son via talking doll.

I agree that Winn going bad is a definite possibility. It seemed like a possible set-up for that. If you notice in the shot when Winn first answers the agents coming to see him in the beginning, there were toys out of focus in the foreground, which seemed like pretty clear foreshadowing that toys will figure heavily into his future. I guess we'll have to wait and see if they carry the arc forward; I hope they do.
 
Winn is portrayed as a level-headed and decent guy. He has been Kara's friend since way before James Olsen came into the picture. People thought Caitlyn Snow would turn into Killer Frost on Flash, but so far we haven't seen that.
 
The Old Mixer said:
Also the comics, including one of Byrne's stories, in which Supes went all the way into space to exhale it (think it was nerve gas).
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That was Man of Steel #3, the post-Crisis version of the first Superman-Batman meeting. It was poison gas released by the obscure villain Magpie.
 
Toyman going on repeatedly about how he and Winn are linked and how Winn is his greatest work or whatever made me suspect that he had done something to Winn such as turning him into some kind of sleeper. It could have simply been Toyman's delusion and/or his appreciation of fatherhood, or it could have been something more sinister.
 
Poor Winn. He seemed like such an innocent normal guy and I do have a feeling they are now sending him down a darker path. I hope that's not the case but this episode went out of its way to say Winn was a good guy, he finally lets it all out to Kara and she rejects him. Hopefully there are good things down the line.

I hope this show doesn't do the "you have powers use them Hank" thing for the rest of the season. It feels like a du ex machine cliche thing.

It was a pretty good episode overall. I still find the Kara storyline the best and who is Alex so Nieve to think she wasn't being watched. The villain is pretty eerie too.
 
Guy Gardener said:
Add that to the "We look alike" line, and it's obvious that Winn is a robot or Clone.
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A clone would be really neat.

But, then again, it's Toyman, so maybe Winn is just a toy, but one good enough to fool Supergirl. In that case, the toy crying for help and fooling her would be a really creepy piece of foreshadowing.
 
CorporalCaptain said:
A clone would be really neat.

But, then again, it's Toyman, so maybe Winn is just a toy, but one good enough to fool Supergirl. In that case, the toy crying for help and fooling her would be a really creepy piece of foreshadowing.
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I kept thinking about Winn being a toy through the entire episode. The way the toyman talked to him made it seem like he was nothing more than that.
 
From a romance standpoint, I suspect Kara will eventually end up with James instead of Winn. Winn is smart, funny, and caring, but he's too soft compared to Olsen, who is bolder and more of a go-getter. I wonder if, instead of Winn going dark, the writers will kill him off and make him a martyr or hero in Kara's eyes.
 
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Jimmy is not an Alpha Male. He's a wishy washy cheater. I mean, he's almost cheating, but he's not actually cheating, because he's not actually doing anything that constitutes cheating, but he's making it clear that he is mobilizing to cheat if the (Super)girl feels like she wants to be an immoral person and do the dirty on Lucy, putting the weight of breaking Lucy's heart all on Kara's shoulders, which is a jerk move.

Cheaters don't stop cheating.

Kara could wind up spending the rest of their as yet unrealized relationship as almost Mrs Olsen waiting for James to cheat on her, because it in his nature to cheat and he can't help himself, so it's only a matter of time.

Tick, tock, cheat.

Win on the other hand was Ducky (John Cryer in the clip above) not enough bottle to put his nuts on the line by flopping out his feelings on the table and let the alien appraise some honest choices after being awarded devastatingly good intel, until yesterday. He used to be wussy, and now he's a real man. Forthright in the face of uncertainty about his intense ongoing romantic feelings for Kara.

Win grew a pair and told the girl to whack his love spuds with a mallet, if she wasn't interested in taking up what he was offering. The ball is in her court. So what if he's a soft nerd compared to Mr Football? Maid of Steel, Man of kleenex... Everyone on Earth is a soft nerd compared to a Kryptonian. What we got here is a bubbly little man who loves her completely and would never hurt Kara, and either kill or and die to protect her, compared to Jimmy who is a ragged piece of glass sawing back and forth across her honour from beginning to end. Winn is only not the full package because he's not handsome, he's got one of those squashed in a vice/pitbull faces, but he is sure as #### husband material, if he wasn't so ugly. And even then, his true and pure love for the girl from the desk nextdoor should make up for his assface, not that she's under any obligation to reciprocate or match all that love he's trying to give her, that she never asked for, or should any of that love emanating from him like stink emanating from old cheddar, make up for how dry his doughy shoulders leaves her nethers.

However, Kara needs dating instructions in large type.

Books on tape with the volume turned up to 11, even.

Win has never been rejected because he was never a candidate because Kara is a Moron.

He's fresh meat.

Jim on the other foot, is rancid and collecting flies from all the spoiling, dissolving his lack of resolve and mulched any potential that perfect smile hinted at in the beginning before he mentioned that he was taken by someone pleasant and brilliant and off the market to everyone who is not an asshole.

Supergirl's never tried to think about Win sexually before. Maybe when she tries, it'll turn out to be as neutral or as horrible as she hasn't even considered to think it might be about as yet... Or maybe she'll have a fantasy where Win rocks her alien world, and she'll want to move heaven and Earth to see that fantasy come true?

Lets say it one more time.

In the comics she dates and has sexual intercourse with a horse.
 
Man, Kara can suck the ... :shifty: Okay, skip it.

As for Alex being a crappy agent for letting her purse get bugged - note also that the damn camera has a flashing red light on it! :brickwall:
 
Forbin said:
Man, Kara can suck the ... :shifty: Okay, skip it.

As for Alex being a crappy agent for letting her purse get bugged - note also that the damn camera has a flashing red light on it! :brickwall:
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My thoughts too. If the writers need a way to move the story along they don't think of credible ways to do it and take the easy path and we get scenes like this. I also noted that when Jonn morphed back to Crenshaw he had all equipment on him again including sidearm.. are these part of Jonn too? Otherwise it doesn't make sense when he was in a suit when he was Lord. It's nitpicking of course but sometimes it's fun. :)

As to Winn/Kara.. that struck on a personal level as i was in a similar situation like Winn. Women can be also so obtuse when it comes to men's feelings too ;) Mine didn't have a TV show/Hollywood ending so i'm very curious how they will proceed with that. However it was still a very emotional, dramatic and well done scene.

The episode itself wasn't bad too, quite watchable but yet nothing groundbreaking.
 
FPAlpha said:
My thoughts too. If the writers need a way to move the story along they don't think of credible ways to do it and take the easy path and we get scenes like this. I also noted that when Jonn morphed back to Crenshaw he had all equipment on him again including sidearm.. are these part of Jonn too? Otherwise it doesn't make sense when he was in a suit when he was Lord. It's nitpicking of course but sometimes it's fun. :)
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The Odo's Combadge effect. Not something I still bother myself with. It's a shapeshifter trope by now. If you want to rationalize it somehow than maybe his suit he has on in his natura form is like a very advanced utility belt that stores or modifies external gear.
 
The funny thing is you get the sense Lord could have easily just strolled in and planted a bug in the apartment itself, since it doesn't exactly seem to be the most well secured place.

Or hell, if he wanted to learn their secret he could have just had someone follow ALex and Kara around with a listening device for a couple hours, since they're not exactly shy about discussing their Supergirl and DEO issues in public. ;)
 
That's one thing I've noticed in the Berlanti shows than continues to bug me. The characters are always talking about all their secret superhero stuff in public with tons of people around. I know they're usually supposed to be off by themselves, but they aren't usually that subtle about it, and it wouldn't be that hard for someone to overhear them.
 
JD said:
That's one thing I've noticed in the Berlanti shows than continues to bug me. The characters are always talking about all their secret superhero stuff in public with tons of people around.
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Plenty of shows and movies are guilty of that. Like in spy stories where the spies meet at a restaurant or a park or someplace to discuss their top-secret confidential matters. Or, say, in Looper where the older and younger versions of the same guy meet in a diner to discuss time travel. How many confidential, ultra-secret conversations have been conducted in diners in movies and TV shows? Probably hundreds.

The thing is, the filmmakers have to make the settings visually interesting and varied, which sometimes comes at the expense of credibility.
 
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