Star Trek: Renegades

[Steve Roby]

Which reminds me, what's happening with the Renegades novel? Sorry if this has been discussed in the early days of this thread. I only watched Renegades last week, in light of certain fuss and botheration elsewhere.

 

[SuperSpaceMan]

Someone told me this is where we could talk about Renegades, guess I was wrong

This is one of those rare instances, I think, where no discussion is good discussion....

 

[Tom]

Which reminds me, what's happening with the Renegades novel? Sorry if this has been discussed in the early days of this thread. I only watched Renegades last week, in light of certain fuss and botheration elsewhere.

It is still being written at this time.

 

[Earthrise]

I saw the comic you guys put up on your Facebook page. I had a couple of minor quibbles with it, nitpicks really, but overall I thought it was very cool and nicely done. You had an especially talented artist.

 

[JWPlatt]

Someone told me this is where we could talk about Renegades, guess I was wrong

Axanar is now part of the discussion in all fan productions. But, indeed, you don't have to like it.

 

[Tom]

Someone told me this is where we could talk about Renegades, guess I was wrong

Axanar is now part of the discussion in all fan productions. But, indeed, you don't have to like it.

As you hand over the Fedora to me... Que Indy music!

 

[Professor Moriarty]

Sorry, Tom! These discussions sometimes organically flow in unexpected directions... my apologies for being part of that redirection!

 

[Karzak]

Sorry, Tom! These discussions sometimes organically flow in unexpected directions... my apologies for being part of that redirection!

Steve Roby said that, not Tom.

 

[BillJ]

I'm sure Tom would rather have us talking about Axanar than putting Renegades finances under the spotlight!

 

[Tom]

Do you want a 75 or 150 watt bulb? lol

 

[DCR]

When it comes to differentiating between Renegades and Axanar, I see one huge difference: Renegades sank their money into actually making the damn film.

They didn't try to build a studio or create a new media empire with someone else's IP - they raised money to make a fan film and then went out and did so.

 

[Steve Roby]

Sorry, Tom! These discussions sometimes organically flow in unexpected directions... my apologies for being part of that redirection!

Steve Roby said that, not Tom.

No, I just responded with something more on-topic because I've participated in the drift. But given that people are talking about tie-in books as one of the ways Axanar may be going too far, I'm hoping that Renegades has a reasonable plan for their novel. As problematic as unlicenced tie-in books might be, I'd still want to get my hands on them.

 

[Karzak]

Sorry, the quotes Professor Moriarty was responding to misattributed a line to Tom that you had written.

Either way, Axanar discussion in this thread seems perfectly reasonable as Peters' latest shenanigans are having real consequences for Renegades already - as demonstrated by Snodgrass exiting (again) from the project entirely.

 

[Professor Moriarty]

Either way, Axanar discussion in this thread seems perfectly reasonable as Peters' latest shenanigans are having real consequences for Renegades already - as demonstrated by Snodgrass exiting (again) from the project entirely.

Which is a goddamned shame.

(sorry for the misdirected apology... I'll go trip over some conveniently placed rakes in my front lawn now...)

 

[Danlav05]

Someone told me this is where we could talk about Renegades, guess I was wrong

Axanar is now part of the discussion in all fan productions. But, indeed, you don't have to like it.

Unfortunately we have to face the fact that the Axanar situation casts a shadow over all fan films. We cannot afford to ignore it

It feels like the opening crawl of that other star franchise...

 

[nx1701g]

IANAL, but from a quick once-over it seems clear that if CBS/Paramount adopted the Disney model, it would spell the end of most semi-pro fan films like Star Trek Renegades, Star Trek Continues, and Star Trek: New Voyages, and even smaller fry productions like Star Trek Aurora would be vastly different under the new regime. From the page you linked:

1. [N]o more than five (5) minutes in duration - That would zot out practically every modern Star Trek fan film ever made.
2. [A]n original parody or documentary of the fan experience - Again, that would blot out nearly every Star Trek fan film in existence. Trekkers aren't parodying fandom; they're trying to create their own Star Trek canon.
3. You will be provided with a creative asset pack (“Pack”) which includes official Lucasfilm music and special effect soundclips (“Lucas IP”), but you do not have to use the materials in the Pack. However, if you decide to use any Lucas IP, it must be the Lucas IP that is contained in the Pack. - Nearly every Star Trek fan film samples heavily from the original series soundtrack. If CBS/Paramount was to limit what fan films could use, almost all productions would have to be taken down and re-edited (not to mention that the limited range of musical cues would probably prove creatively daunting).
4. Make sure not to shoot any violent activities or dangerous stunts that put you and/or others at risk of getting hurt. For your safety and the safety of others, don't try any risky moves. - That fight between mirror universe Kirk and Spock in the recent Star Trek Continues episode "Fairest of Them All" would probably be verboten.

I won't even attempt to get into the various and sundry ramifications of the general rules.

The rules have actually changed over time. At one point they had the films could be 30 minutes or longer. The five minutes is recent (last year it was 10).

 

[Professor Moriarty]

But that's kind of my point: the rules keep changing. If CBS/Paramount did that with Star Trek fan films, it would be difficult, if not impossible, for ongoing productions like Continues and Phase II to continue putting out a consistent product while staying within the good graces of the IP owners. One month it would be a five-minute vignette. The next month it would be a 30-minute parody episode. The next month it would be an animation-only episode. Madness!

 

[Amaris]

Someone told me this is where we could talk about Renegades, guess I was wrong

It happens on the Renegades FB page, and I admit I am a part of that conversation, too. I think a lot of us are antsy (or just me, I don't know), because I do like the fan films, it's nice to see fellow Trek fans making these episodes and films, and I want it to continue. Axanar has put all of you under a very large microscope, and it's frustrating.

 

[nx1701g]

Someone told me this is where we could talk about Renegades, guess I was wrong

It happens on the Renegades FB page, and I admit I am a part of that conversation, too. I think a lot of us are antsy (or just me, I don't know), because I do like the fan films, it's nice to see fellow Trek fans making these episodes and films, and I want it to continue. Axanar has put all of you under a very large microscope, and it's frustrating.

This is how I feel. I know I disappeared from the BBS, but I can still remember when fanfilms were first starting and New Voyages first came on the scene. Hidden Frontier was something I got into next, then its spinoff fiction. Intrepid was fun too. Back then there was a fear that they could be shut down, but never to this extent.

Now, I am afraid for all of you. I'm afraid for all fan productions from the fan film, to fan fiction, to fan art, to online gaming at this point.

 

[Potemkin_Prod]

So 3 of yours would pass that criteria.

Drop the rather long credit sequences and 14 of them (nearly half of the 29 Potemkin episodes) would meet that criteria. A little more judicious editing (as would happen if we were to try to meet that rule), then 9 more would.