Star Trek: Renegades

[Ion]

I felt the same myself. I had a huge problem with the writing and some of the acting on both of those productions.

The first time I tried to watch Renegades, I only made it a few minutes in before I couldn't take it anymore.

The second time (last night, actually) I managed to get through it, and it wasn't quite as bad as I originally thought. I actually enjoyed it, though there were certainly some cringeworthy parts.

I think my favorite line was "Fire on that cloaked ship!" spoken like it wasn't, you know, cloaked...

Bottom line: watch it when you're in a really forgiving mood if you want to enjoy it, and hope they have a really good script editor this next go-'round. There was real potential there, it just needed some good editing and a bit less starch in the costumes .

Are we judging these fan productions by professional standards, or just having fun? If some folks want professional quality, try Axanar. Oh, wait...

Heh. Honestly? At least Renegades had good sound; bad sound will make me stop watching in the first thirty seconds. I can't get into the story. I actually don't really care much about the costuming or the cost of the sets or the VFX; I just want to see a good story, and be immersed while the cast is telling it.

That's why I hope this CBS (/Paramount?) action is more about Axanar practices, and will leave some wriggle room for STC, Renegades, Aurora to continue.

Amen.

 

[Khan 2.0]

Do Renegades do coffee? e.g. Chekov 'Admirals' Gold, House of Singh 'Superior' Blend, Section 31 Decaf

 

[Ion]

Do Renegades do coffee? e.g. Chekov 'Admirals' Gold, House of Singh 'Superior' Blend, Section 31 Decaf

Fixer's Fix?

 

[Danlav05]

Yeah I saw that. I wasn't terribly concerned before, and I'm not now, but it does make me feel the likelihood that we're all getting C&Ded sooner or later is higher.

Oh well, we've had a good run. If I don't get to produce the next couple of stories I had lined up, c'est la vie.

Surely Intrepid's safe?!?!!?

 

[nx1701g]

Lucasfilm hasn't ever needed to shut down everyone. So I'm not sure why CBS would?

LucasFilm developed a fanfilm award program too...

 

[USS Intrepid]

Yeah I saw that. I wasn't terribly concerned before, and I'm not now, but it does make me feel the likelihood that we're all getting C&Ded sooner or later is higher.

Oh well, we've had a good run. If I don't get to produce the next couple of stories I had lined up, c'est la vie.

Surely Intrepid's safe?!?!!?

None of us are safe, we're all using someone else's intellectual property. Whether the studio wants to enforce that or not is up to them.

 

[Professor Moriarty]

Oh well, we've had a good run. If I don't get to produce the next couple of stories I had lined up, c'est la vie.

Aw Nick, I didn't know you were up for that. Here's hoping that the worst doesn't come to pass and you get a turn at the producer's seat.

 

[Joel_Kirk]

Too many of these so-called "professional" fan films aren't "professional" in the final product. Most are just painful to watch. This is how I felt watching Renegades. I felt the same about STOGAM.

I felt the same myself. I had a huge problem with the writing and some of the acting on both of those productions.

Me too. But...my personal bias...even 'bad' Trek is better than no Trek (and quite of a bit of the TV and film output is bad Trek!), and for all the various fanfilms faults I admire their passion and devotion to make something tangible.

That's why I hope this CBS (/Paramount?) action is more about Axanar practices, and will leave some wriggle room for STC, Renegades, Aurora to continue.

I felt the same myself. I had a huge problem with the writing and some of the acting on both of those productions.

The first time I tried to watch Renegades, I only made it a few minutes in before I couldn't take it anymore.

The second time (last night, actually) I managed to get through it, and it wasn't quite as bad as I originally thought. I actually enjoyed it, though there were certainly some cringeworthy parts.

I think my favorite line was "Fire on that cloaked ship!" spoken like it wasn't, you know, cloaked...

Bottom line: watch it when you're in a really forgiving mood if you want to enjoy it, and hope they have a really good script editor this next go-'round. There was real potential there, it just needed some good editing and a bit less starch in the costumes .

Are we judging these fan productions by professional standards, or just having fun? If some folks want professional quality, try Axanar. Oh, wait...

Heh. Honestly? At least Renegades had good sound; bad sound will make me stop watching in the first thirty seconds. I can't get into the story. I actually don't really care much about the costuming or the cost of the sets or the VFX; I just want to see a good story, and be immersed while the cast is telling it.

That's why I hope this CBS (/Paramount?) action is more about Axanar practices, and will leave some wriggle room for STC, Renegades, Aurora to continue.

Amen.

I'm sure the other Trek fan productions will okay once this dies down. This entire matter seems to be because a guy who is hootin' his own horn a bit too loudly...which caught the attention of the suits.

Of course, as aforementioned, sometimes a 'quiet' and awesome production still gets the attention of the studio (e.g. a slick and sexy and awesome Batgirl production - Stephanie Brown Batgirl - that had to shut down its Kickstarter.

I still want to see what happens to the two-woman, er, two-person crew on Aurora.

 

[Maurice]

Lucasfilm hasn't ever needed to shut down everyone. So I'm not sure why CBS would?

LucasFilm developed a fanfilm award program too...

And had rather seriously restrictive rules for same.

 

[nx1701g]

Lucasfilm hasn't ever needed to shut down everyone. So I'm not sure why CBS would?

LucasFilm developed a fanfilm award program too...

And had rather seriously restrictive rules for same.

True, but maybe we need rules like that for Trek.

 

[Professor Moriarty]

Lucasfilm hasn't ever needed to shut down everyone. So I'm not sure why CBS would?

LucasFilm developed a fanfilm award program too...

And had rather seriously restrictive rules for same.

Maurice, can you summarize what those rules are?

 

[nx1701g]

LucasFilm developed a fanfilm award program too...

And had rather seriously restrictive rules for same.

Maurice, can you summarize what those rules are?

I'm not Maurice but here's a link to the Official Rules. Also, they are accepting for 2016.

Star Wars Fan Film Awards 2016 Official Rules

 

[Professor Moriarty]

I'm not Maurice but here's a link to the Official Rules. Also, they are accepting for 2016.

Star Wars Fan Film Awards 2016 Official Rules

Thank you. The reason I wanted to read the rules was to see if what was done for Star Wars would work for current Star Trek fan productions.

IANAL, but from a quick once-over it seems clear that if CBS/Paramount adopted the Disney model, it would spell the end of most semi-pro fan films like Star Trek Renegades, Star Trek Continues, and Star Trek: New Voyages, and even smaller fry productions like Star Trek Aurora would be vastly different under the new regime. From the page you linked:

1. [N]o more than five (5) minutes in duration - That would zot out practically every modern Star Trek fan film ever made.
2. [A]n original parody or documentary of the fan experience - Again, that would blot out nearly every Star Trek fan film in existence. Trekkers aren't parodying fandom; they're trying to create their own Star Trek canon.
3. You will be provided with a creative asset pack (“Pack”) which includes official Lucasfilm music and special effect soundclips (“Lucas IP”), but you do not have to use the materials in the Pack. However, if you decide to use any Lucas IP, it must be the Lucas IP that is contained in the Pack. - Nearly every Star Trek fan film samples heavily from the original series soundtrack. If CBS/Paramount was to limit what fan films could use, almost all productions would have to be taken down and re-edited (not to mention that the limited range of musical cues would probably prove creatively daunting).
4. Make sure not to shoot any violent activities or dangerous stunts that put you and/or others at risk of getting hurt. For your safety and the safety of others, don't try any risky moves. - That fight between mirror universe Kirk and Spock in the recent Star Trek Continues episode "Fairest of Them All" would probably be verboten.

I won't even attempt to get into the various and sundry ramifications of the general rules.

 

[Amaris]

Hey Tom (or anyone else in Renegades production who wants to answer), if Melinda is really leaving, do you have anyone else in mind for a script? I mean, she's been on the fence a while, so I kind of hope you had a backup just in case. I hate that she's backing away, because I was thrilled when she was announced to be the writer of the next episode.

 

[Potemkin_Prod]

1. [N]o more than five (5) minutes in duration - That would zot out practically every modern Star Trek fan film ever made.

*waggles fingers*

 

[Maurice]

1. [N]o more than five (5) minutes in duration - That would zot out practically every modern Star Trek fan film ever made.

*waggles fingers*

So 3 of yours would pass that criteria.

 

[Tom]

Hey Tom (or anyone else in Renegades production who wants to answer), if Melinda is really leaving, do you have anyone else in mind for a script? I mean, she's been on the fence a while, so I kind of hope you had a backup just in case. I hate that she's backing away, because I was thrilled when she was announced to be the writer of the next episode.

Yes we do.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Man, this is like the 90's all over again, with Paramount's scorch-and-burn attitude towards the fanbase. I guess it comes and goes in cycles. They're protecting their movie franchise and CBS is gearing up for the new series and, legally, they have every right to do so. I guess this is what they feel they need to do.

Axanar was the flashpoint for this new wave of litigation because Peters made it an easy target with his new corporate studio built on crowdfunding and, ergo, an effective example. It would have happened eventually with or without Axanar's existence; was only just a matter of time. Pendulum's swinging in that direction right now, is all, since the rightful owners of the property have it in their best interest to succeed and the fan efforts to...well...not, I guess.

I honestly just wish, for once, they would be able to take a page from LucasFilm's playbook and understand that the official productions and the fan ones can actually coexist in relative peace without one encroaching on the other. It's proven to work, and for some reason, Paramount/CBS has never seemed to figure that formula out.

 

[Steve Roby]

If this was Star Wars: Alderaan instead of Star Trek: Axanar or Renegades, would it be operating within the Star Wars guidelines? For that matter, has Disney taking over changed things for Star Wars? Is there a thriving culture of Disney fan films?

 

[JoeZhang]

Man, this is like the 90's all over again, with Paramount's scorch-and-burn attitude towards the fanbase.

Well it would be if there was any evidence they are coming after anyone else.

If this was Star Wars: Alderaan instead of Star Trek: Axanar, would it be operating within the Star Wars guidelines?

Absolutely not.