CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

[JoeRalat]

How do you know this is true?

it does not appear to be true. According to Team Axanar, CBS Legal could not tell them exactly what was and was not allowed. They guessed, and apparently guessed wrong......

Makes sense CBS Legal would not commit themselves without research and thought vis a vis what was acceptable, and what was not.

I've been reading the lawsuit (see: http://www.scribd.com/doc/294302930/Startrek-Lawsuit ) and they are going after everyone involved in the production. This means they are going after costumers, prop and set makers, etc. (just go to that link and search for the following term: Doe Defendants). It's writers, too.

Gadzooks, I hope this doesn't hit fanfic writers but, if it does, I'll take my stuff down. I kinda like my house and want to keep it.

Could that fact they are pay actors 15k+ be the issue. What if Alec if paying himself 10-15k would that be an issue for CBS to go after them? They pay the staff average or above, that why they props..etc are part of the suit.

 

[Amaris]

Makes sense CBS Legal would not commit themselves without research and thought vis a vis what was acceptable, and what was not.

I've been reading the lawsuit (see: http://www.scribd.com/doc/294302930/Startrek-Lawsuit ) and they are going after everyone involved in the production. This means they are going after costumers, prop and set makers, etc. (just go to that link and search for the following term: Doe Defendants). It's writers, too.

Gadzooks, I hope this doesn't hit fanfic writers but, if it does, I'll take my stuff down. I kinda like my house and want to keep it.

I can have it rewritten as a pornographic novel in under 15 minutes. 10 if you don't mind excessive uses of several four letter words.

It isn't the four letter words that are the problem, it's the excessive use of the word "throbbing"

How else would you describe a headache?

(ha!)

 

[sttngfan1701d]

It's all going up in flames. I feel bad for all the people down the ladder that will be burned because of this.

 

[Warped9]

I never thought the British media would be concerned with this.

Only online.

That's where all the SF/Trek/SJW/trolls/nerds hang-out.

Inky printed paper? Nobody GAF.

I've seen articles in daily newspapers picking up on this story. This afternoon I saw it in the SunMedia papers (Toronto Sun, Calgary Sun, etc.).

 

[JoeRalat]

It's all going up in flames. I feel bad for all the people down the ladder that will be burned because of this.

Hey a yard sale on hardly used Bridge Set

 

[SeerSGB]

It's all going up in flames. I feel bad for all the people down the ladder that will be burned because of this.

I feel the worse for those that put thousands of their own dollars into productions---just for the fun of it---that are now going to get scorched cause one a-hole got delusions of granduer

 

[jespah]

it does not appear to be true. According to Team Axanar, CBS Legal could not tell them exactly what was and was not allowed. They guessed, and apparently guessed wrong......

Makes sense CBS Legal would not commit themselves without research and thought vis a vis what was acceptable, and what was not.

I've been reading the lawsuit (see: http://www.scribd.com/doc/294302930/Startrek-Lawsuit ) and they are going after everyone involved in the production. This means they are going after costumers, prop and set makers, etc. (just go to that link and search for the following term: Doe Defendants). It's writers, too.

Gadzooks, I hope this doesn't hit fanfic writers but, if it does, I'll take my stuff down. I kinda like my house and want to keep it.

Could that fact they are pay actors 15k+ be the issue. What if Alec if paying himself 10-15k would that be an issue for CBS to go after them? They pay the staff average or above, that why they props..etc are part of the suit.

I don't think it's the actors' pay that's so much of an issue (after all, they have union commitments to be paid at least scale). It's the production team being paid (see: http://www.axanarproductions.com/axanar-annual-report/ ) which is a lot more problematic. Now it's going past the basic costs of doing business as required by unions and into the area of someone making a living off the IP who isn't tied by union rules.

 

[Amaris]

I do sincerely hope this does not affect other fan productions. The one production I have experience with is just a bunch of great people who do it because they love it, and have never sought any kind of fame or profit for what they do. I don't want anything to happen to them.

 

[sojourner]

The only thing I really regret is not getting to see all of the brilliant modelling work Tobias Richtor did for this.

 

[Karzak]

Makes sense CBS Legal would not commit themselves without research and thought vis a vis what was acceptable, and what was not.

I've been reading the lawsuit (see: http://www.scribd.com/doc/294302930/Startrek-Lawsuit ) and they are going after everyone involved in the production. This means they are going after costumers, prop and set makers, etc. (just go to that link and search for the following term: Doe Defendants). It's writers, too.

Gadzooks, I hope this doesn't hit fanfic writers but, if it does, I'll take my stuff down. I kinda like my house and want to keep it.

Could that fact they are pay actors 15k+ be the issue. What if Alec if paying himself 10-15k would that be an issue for CBS to go after them? They pay the staff average or above, that why they props..etc are part of the suit.

I don't think it's the actors' pay that's so much of an issue (after all, they have union commitments to be paid at least scale). It's the production team being paid (see: http://www.axanarproductions.com/axanar-annual-report/ ) which is a lot more problematic. Now it's going past the basic costs of doing business as required by unions and into the area of someone making a living off the IP who isn't tied by union rules.

I think this might be part of the problem:

Please note that we are a professional production and thus RUN like a professional production. That means our full time employees get paid. Not much honestly, but everyone has bills to pay and if you work full time for Axanar, you get paid.

 

[sttngfan1701d]

It's all going up in flames. I feel bad for all the people down the ladder that will be burned because of this.

I feel the worse for those that put thousands of their own dollars into productions---just for the fun of it---that are now going to get scorched cause one a-hole got delusions of granduer

Of course, that too. I just visited the Axanar Facebook page just out of curiosity. The delusions of all those people is just incredible.

 

[Philip Guyott]

I never thought the British media would be concerned with this.

Only online.

That's where all the SF/Trek/SJW/trolls/nerds hang-out.

Inky printed paper? Nobody GAF.

I've seen articles in daily newspapers picking up on this story. This afternoon I saw it in the SunMedia papers (Toronto Sun, Calgary Sun, etc.).

Well look on the bright side, at least Axanar is getting international publicity for the film.

 

[JoeRalat]

I do sincerely hope this does not affect other fan productions. The one production I have experience with is just a bunch of great people who do it because they love it, and have never sought any kind of fame or profit for what they do. I don't want anything to happen to them.

Well then we need to speak out when the production people from Axanar brings in NV or other fan films into the issues they are having. They already did this when the law suit came up.. People need to speak up and tell them leave the other fan films out of your problems.

 

[JoeRalat]

Only online.

That's where all the SF/Trek/SJW/trolls/nerds hang-out.

Inky printed paper? Nobody GAF.

I've seen articles in daily newspapers picking up on this story. This afternoon I saw it in the SunMedia papers (Toronto Sun, Calgary Sun, etc.).

Well look on the bright side, at least Axanar is getting international publicity for the film.

It would be F up If this done to make people donate. I doubt it, but then again look at the people running for president....there is no such thing as bad publicity!

 

[Karzak]

It's all going up in flames. I feel bad for all the people down the ladder that will be burned because of this.

I feel the worse for those that put thousands of their own dollars into productions---just for the fun of it---that are now going to get scorched cause one a-hole got delusions of granduer

Of course, that too. I just visited the Axanar Facebook page just out of curiosity. The delusions of all those people is just incredible.

The sad thing is this is nothing, absolutely nothing new. They've been this delusional all along. The crazy is just coming out now because they are on the defensive. I think it's happened before, too. Didn't Peters sic his fans onto someone a few years ago for blasting the film? Or something like that? These people get so perturbed at any threat to this perfect little project they love so much and next thing you know, the fangs come out.

 

[Amaris]

I do sincerely hope this does not affect other fan productions. The one production I have experience with is just a bunch of great people who do it because they love it, and have never sought any kind of fame or profit for what they do. I don't want anything to happen to them.

Well then we need to speak out when the production people from Axanar brings in NV or other fan films into the issues they are having. They already did this when the law suit came up.. People need to speak up and tell them leave the other fan films out of your problems.

For now I'm not saying anything in relation to other productions, as anything posted to that Facebook page will likely be used as example of why Axanar is getting sued in the first place. If I can avoid actively naming other fan productions, maybe CBS will leave them alone.

Quiet, I can hope.

The sad thing is this is nothing, absolutely nothing new. They've been this delusional all along. The crazy is just coming out now because they are on the defensive. I think it's happened before, too. Didn't Peters sic his fans onto someone a few years ago for blasting the film? Or something like that? These people get so perturbed at any threat to this perfect little project they love so much and next thing you know, the fangs come out.

Oh yeah, I know! There is no response you can give to "How DARE those jerks at CBS sue this million dollar production that uses their property without permission!"

Then they say they'll boycott the new film. After they've already said they don't like the new films. After they've made the statement that their fan film is superior to CBS, and is "real" Star Trek. Yeah, you can't reason with that nuttery.

 

[JoeRalat]

The sad thing is this is nothing, absolutely nothing new. They've been this delusional all along. The crazy is just coming out now because they are on the defensive. I think it's happened before, too. Didn't Peters sic his fans onto someone a few years ago for blasting the film? Or something like that? These people get so perturbed at any threat to this perfect little project they love so much and next thing you know, the fangs come out.

I did work for Alec a few years back on his first Prop book, at the end of the work, he did not was to pay what we agreed on. Then he went online saying he would sue me. I think I still have the AIM transcripts.

After all of that I still supported the fanfilm. But I knew Alec would do something. Come on...did you need to reply to Tony Todd like that...It shows you the type of guy he is

 

[Turbo]

Some one needs tell Peters to shut up:

Wonder if their attorney has started drinking yet........

Dunno, but this attorney is drinking in sympathy tonight!

This isn't the niche topic you might think in the news.

It's trending on Facebook.

I'm attempting to be a voice of reason on the Dragon*Con FB page regarding this - trying to keep people from jumping on a social media bandwagon that might have negative effects on the other fan productions. I got in early once someone posted the news there, and linked to this thread - so that helps, I hope.

I don't think things would be nearly so bad if Peters and Bennett had simply said something like "we don't agree with CBS and hope to work out our issues with them" instead of going on the defensive and blasting CBS left and right.

What I do not understand is CBS told them point by point what the issues are, but no one from the Axanar team has said what was the issues.

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How do you know this is true?

it does not appear to be true. According to Team Axanar, CBS Legal could not tell them exactly what was and was not allowed. They guessed, and apparently guessed wrong.
Eh, I'm not sure I agree with this. Other fan films have apparently gotten some details on what needs to change. My best guess, based on their general attitude (both before and after this) is that they told CBS to pound sand.

The production seems to be an INC, does it state if its an non for profit Inc? Is NV and the other fan films Inc or LLC?

It was stupid for them to well known actors for this. Its was all about ego. They needed to out show the other fan films like NV that had a trek actors in it. Why not just get great new actors and save a TON of money. Im sure the major part of the budget is going towards the actors.

Part of the whole appeal was to have it professionally acted and produced. I certainly wouldn't have been interested if not for that.
While I have hopes the movie will be salvaged...i don't see it happening.

Funny how these "professionals" are acting like spoiled children.

It's all going up in flames. I feel bad for all the people down the ladder that will be burned because of this.

I feel the worse for those that put thousands of their own dollars into productions---just for the fun of it---that are now going to get scorched cause one a-hole got delusions of granduer

Agreed. Feel really bad for the patrons and for other productions. Here's hoping for a good resolution.

 

[Amaris]

Axanar compares themselves to David, and CBS/Paramount to Goliath. The only difference is that David had the God of Abraham on his side, while CBS/Paramount has intellectual property, copyright, and trademark law. Axanar's about to find out real quick which God is more powerful.

 

[starburst]

For now I'm not saying anything in relation to other productions, as anything posted to that Facebook page will likely be used as example of why Axanar is getting sued in the first place. If I can avoid actively naming other fan productions, maybe CBS will leave them alone.

Quiet, I can hope.

I don't think anyone mentioning Continues, NV or any of the other fan film productions at this point matters; If CBS sues Axanar successfully I think the precedent will be set, the flood gates will be nudged open and the future for these fan films will be in doubt especially with their new series a little more than a year away.

I had been considering giving money to some of these productions (and I am not going to lie it included Axanar) but as soon as CBS announced Star Trek '2017' I thought to myself that this is when they will likely start clamping down on fan productions.

Like them or hate them Axanar, Continues, NV and Renegades to name just 4 garner high praise from swaths of the fan base. You have people daily discussing them and not just fans but online news sites. You have groups actively criticizing CBS & Paramount while e-high five'ing the the fan productions.

Throw in the money some of these productions are pulling in from fans and thats going to raise eye brows at the CBS legal department.

If no other production gets a letter during the course of this coming year I will be massively surprised (but relieved).