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The Star Trek fan film community: What it looks like & where its going

Danlav05

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This is not a 'Will CBS' shut us down?' thread, nor am I a fan film maker, I am a viewer.

I got into fan films around 2004, Starship Exeter was online, New Voyages had their pilot up and within a fortnight I downloaded all of the then-5 seasons of Hidden Frontier. Over the next few years Intrepid and Farragut debuted, Intrepid crossed over with Hidden Frontier, Nick Cook and other HF folks appeared in New Voyages, which had a partnership with Farragut which had relaunched as Phase II bringing to life ideas and characters from the lost 1977 series bible. They even brought back TOS stars and writers such as DC Fontana and David Gerrold.

There was a sense ofa small community who collaborated and shared ideas and talent.

Some of the above productions had industry professionals working on them anyway, however what surprised many was the announcement of OF GODS AND MEN, featuring many Trek stars from the 40 years - of course we know 20 years earlier George Takei took part in Yorktown: A Time To Heal which is finally on course for release very soon.

Things were about to change quickly. With the TV series off the air and fans wanting to keep the prime timeline alive in the wake of the JJ films fan films, a lot of productions ramped up their 'professionality'. Not only that, YouTube became huge and productions was helped enormously by crowdfunding websites such as Kickstarter and Indiegogo. Of course Farragut, NV, Intrepid and many other groups are still going and some use fundraising methods, but some of these fan films began being produced in a more 'professional' manner, like ST Continues.

The team behind Of Gods and Men returned with Renegades which was pitched to CBS as a pilot, and a few others such as Equinox and Captain Pike have pitched themselves as pilots too, with known TV/movie stars in key roles, as well as Trek vets such as Michael Westmore, John Eaves and Robert Meyer Bennett all involved.

There's also Axanar, which is a very polished-looking production which is so far very very impressive with a full film to be made in the New Year. A lot of these productions again uses the same talent, Tobias Richter is leading VFX work over several projects.

The community is still right there but having been a dedicated follower for many years I have definitely seen change. CBS announced last month that January 2017 will see the launch of Trek's sixth series. While I am delighted to finally get a TV show again I cannot help but wonder where this leaves fan films? CBS allow these things as long as profit is not made off them, this could make crowdfunding harder.

Where do people think the future of fanfilms lies?
 
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Assuming the premise that the money for donations will run out when a new series warps in, it'll separate the dedicated productions from the not-so dedicated ones when they have to carry on with just love and labor.
 
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...wanting to keep the prime timeline alive in the wake of the JJ films fan films,...

Not sure if the words ''fan films'' added after JJ films was a typo or not, but if you meant it... really?

come on...
 
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That is a good question, as to how many fan made films will continue from 2017 onward?
 
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I dispute the idea that Robert Meyer Burnett is a Trek "vet." He never worked on any of the shows while they were in production; his association is primarily as a fan and as the producer of the home video releases, which is an entirely different arm of the franchise. "Vet" is not a word I'd use for him, certainly not in the same way I'd apply it to someone like Shatner or Stewart or Berman or Piller. Burnett is the Kardashian of Trek; famous more for being a fan than anything he's actually done.

As for fan films in general, I go back and forth. There are days I wish they'd all get shut down so we could move past all the petty bickering and stupidity that generally comes associated with them; I wish every single one of them would leave their egos at the door and let someone edit their scripts, too. Then there are other days I am just fine with these productions even if there are a few prima donnas behind the scenes who have higher opinions of their work than their work deserves. Mostly though, I think it - the subject of fan films - would make for an utterly fascinating documentary if done about the people making them but I sincerely doubt anyone would be able to get everyone I'd want to see to agree to be in such a film.
 
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...wanting to keep the prime timeline alive in the wake of the JJ films fan films,...

Not sure if the words ''fan films'' added after JJ films was a typo or not, but if you meant it... really?

come on...

Ha! I should have said JJ movies but there is no place for 'fan films' in that sentence...

I really enjoyed the 2009 movie and Beyond looks fantastic, I have read the comics quite a bit so I do follow JJ's Universe too, I'm not anti!
 
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Danlov05, I can't predict next month among films that have been in production for over a year, let alone 2017. But I'll share a few very random (and probably wrong) thoughts.

Absent CBS enforcement, ST 2017 should have no effect on the low budget fan efforts like Antyllis, Intrepid, Unity, and Aurora.

Some groups that have distanced themselves more from Star Trek by avoiding using the exact name, ship appearance, and characters, like Potemkin Pictures should likewise carry one with no changes needed.

I also think it's too soon to know if ST 2017 is going to be a success. Will people subscribe to CBS All Access in enough numbers to make it worthwhile... just for Trek? I see a lot of speculation, will it be in the Prime Universe or a brand new one? Seems unlikely that CBS will pay Abrams to put it in his universe. For me, CBS has a very uneven feed. When I watch stuff there online it often just stops for a few minutes (and sometimes longer) for no apparent reason. I don't have the problem anywhere else, so no, I don't think it's my connection. Will they fix that in time for January 2017? They have a whole year. I know fanatical Trek fans who have the same problem and have already declared they will wait to buy the Blu-ray rather than suffer the low quality of CBS all access.

If ST 2017 is failing and CBS thinks it is the fault of fan films, I would guess that they will shut everyone down, even if it's NOT.

Anyway, we are now so far into the unknown that I've crossed over from speculation to pure fiction. So I'll leave it here.
 
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Danlov05, I can't predict next month among films that have been in production for over a year, let alone 2017. But I'll share a few very random (and probably wrong) thoughts.

Absent CBS enforcement, ST 2017 should have no effect on the low budget fan efforts like Antyllis, Intrepid, Unity, and Aurora.

Some groups that have distanced themselves more from Star Trek by avoiding using the exact name, ship appearance, and characters, like Potemkin Pictures should likewise carry one with no changes needed.

I also think it's too soon to know if ST 2017 is going to be a success. Will people subscribe to CBS All Access in enough numbers to make it worthwhile... just for Trek?

Yes, they will. Because even though some have already decided they hate CBS Access and that they have already decided they hate Star Trek 2017, they will still pay to see it because they simply can't miss out on something new from the official canon. This is why the movies and soundtracks get double and triple dipped, it's why CBS and Paramount know they can get away with it -- because we always come back, cash in hand, ready to fork it over for whatever they're selling.

I see a lot of speculation, will it be in the Prime Universe or a brand new one? Seems unlikely that CBS will pay Abrams to put it in his universe.

I don't think Abrams needs to be consulted, let alone paid if CBS tries to set the new show in the same universe as the last three films. I'm hopeful the show will be set in an entirely new setting and universe, but I'd be just fine with it also ending up just being in the Into Darkness/Beyond world as well.

If ST 2017 is failing and CBS thinks it is the fault of fan films, I would guess that they will shut everyone down, even if it's NOT.

Anyway, we are now so far into the unknown that I've crossed over from speculation to pure fiction. So I'll leave it here.

If that happens, it would still be perfectly within their right to do so, much as we might dislike it.
 
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Personally, I think Exeter and the first few New Voyages episodes were when fan films peaked as far as exceeding expectations with an all-amateur no crowdfunding production. It was all about "gee, they managed to do that with so little??" Back then, Exeter used a scale model of the engine room, whereas Continues has been able to build its own engine room set with crowdfunding money. While I enjoy the higher-budget fan-films as much as anybody, the ingenuity of getting the shot with the least amount of resources has been lost. These days, marketing is the key skill required to make a fan-film, i.e. making the appeal on Kickstarter or Indiegogo.
 
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If I recall rightly Exeter was the first that looked more like an episode with the right sets/costumes but was clearly low budget. Hidden Frontier started rough but in Season 4 the quality really went up a gear or five, improving more and more every episode right up until Tossed Upon The Shore.
 
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I think the brilliant ones are the productions that do a lot with a little by focusing on performance, writing and basic film literacy.
 
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I think the brilliant ones are the productions that do a lot with a little by focusing on performance, writing and basic film literacy.

I think of Project Potemkin.... where the sets are well, yea.. and the costumes are well... yea.. but at least they deliver character dramas..
 
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Reading this thread after news of the CBS/Paramount lawsuit against Star Trek: Axanar is... interesting.

mos6507 laments the trend of fan films to crowdfund hundreds of thousands of dollars and the triumph of marketing over ingenuity. Well guess what? Your lamentations have been heard, and fan films will probably now start to recede (or figure out a way to raise money on the down-low).
 
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Well, you know that many - I'll say most - of the really inventive Trek fan films either began or did most all their work before the age of Internet crowdfunding.
 
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Well, you know that many - I'll say most - of the really inventive Trek fan films either began or did most all their work before the age of Internet crowdfunding.

Bingo. I seem to recall a certain Texas-based venture that made a well-received splash recently. :cool:
 
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Well, you know that many - I'll say most - of the really inventive Trek fan films either began or did most all their work before the age of Internet crowdfunding.

Bingo. I seem to recall a certain Texas-based venture that made a well-received splash recently. :cool:

Yeah, that was probably the best in the Star Trek fan film pantheon, really.
 
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^^^ And for exactly the reasons we've been discussing: clever, judicious use of visual effects (that engine room scene was really something!), a tight script, and every precious dollar made to count (IIRC, the Starship Exeter bridge set was so well-built and accurate that it is still in use to this day).

Honestly, those guys managed to turn out something gold 11 years ago on what must've been a minuscule budget. I'm sure that Star Trek Axanar would also have been spectacular, but when you have a few hundred thousand quatloos to spend, it oughta be!
 
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I think the brilliant ones are the productions that do a lot with a little by focusing on performance, writing and basic film literacy.

You obviously mean Act IV of TTI. ;)
 
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Well this has been an interesting 24 hours. Here are my thoughts

what has just happened to Axanar was perhaps inevitable, having gone about their business as they have but it was looking to be a top-notch production - because of the money. They had high ambitions and I guess are now paying the price.

CBS owns Star Trek bottom line. Despite not being as lauded as the other 'Star' franchise there are still countless fans worldwide, people still watch the shows, read the books, play the games, see the movies etc. Unfortunately Axanar have made thousands, so they had to intervene. It's sad as the potential was huge, but this will make others think twice. Renegades and others no doubt lie at risk. Even Continues and NV now use crowdfunding.

Over the past decade it has mainly been watching fan films that has kept my Trek fandom burning, but we need to take stock and carefully consider the future.
 
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