It's like they don't know what "Bring Balance to the Force" means?

[Set Harth]

If that were true, it would assume that the authors had childlike minds, or didn't know the definition of the word "balance".

The author knows the definition of the word balance. But it's the balance of the Force, not the balance of the Force-users. Force-users are not the same thing as the Force, so the balance of the Force is not a balance of Force-users. Nor would Jedi look forward hopefully to a situation of parity in Jedi and Sith numbers.

But in this context, yin is the darkside and yang is the lightside (or switch a roo.).

The first one.

Really how can a handful of ###holes, with super powers that at their worst or best are about as heady as a small planet bound thunderstorm, uproot the universe?

That's the thing. They have the potential to develop the ability to affect the balance directly. "Unlimited power." It also has to do with the primacy of evil.

Maybe the imbalance problem wasn't that Jedi numbers were massive compared to Sith numbers but that the Jedi Numbers continued to grow, and grow and grow and grow while Sith numbers did not, or did not at all proportionately.

It really has nothing to do with Jedi numbers ( at least not in the sense that you mean ).

Considering how Anikan eventually fulfilled prophecy, they "obviously" misunderstood the prophecy while it was still just some flowery verse in a book, because if what Anikan did had any relationship to what they thought he'd do, then he fulfilled prophecy though decimating the Jedi, so therefore the prophecy had been that he would exterminate the Jedi.

No. They thought the Chosen One would destroy the Sith; Anakin destroyed the Sith in ROTJ. Hardly a misunderstanding. ( And Anakin wasn't the one who exterminated the bulk of the Jedi anyway. )

Last I checked there were exactly two mentions of bringing "balance' to the force in the prequels, once in TPM, and once in ROTS.

There's also one in AOTC.

So, no one knows what "Bring Balance to the Force" means, because no one in the movies ever really discussed it.

In two separate places during ROTS, Kenobi's dialogue links balancing the Force with destroying the Sith.

I thought it was cannon that Mace Windo used a dark-side fighting style, using his own dark-side to give stronger strikes.

Technically it was "skirting the edge of the dark side" or some such, but that stuff was decanonized with the rest of the old EU, unless it's reappeared in some of the new stuff.

 

[TremblingBluStar]

If that were true, it would assume that the authors had childlike minds, or didn't know the definition of the word "balance".

Yes.

It was a not really thought out idea from the get go, compounded by the fact that it was never really explained to begin with.

 

[bbjeg]

I thought it was cannon that Mace Windo used a dark-side fighting style, using his own dark-side to give stronger strikes. It's called Form VII.

To me, I was taught that Canon means has to be on screen in a tv or a movie. Books, comics and radio do not count. Although some franchises keep TV and movie canon separate...

I mean, it was named in the books, but you see him use it in RotS. It wasn't like mid fight the Emperor was going to ask "What fighting style is that?"

 

[Set Harth]

I mean, it was named in the books, but you see him use it in RotS.

Arguably what we see on screen in ROTS does not look much like the hyperbolic description of Vaapad promoted by the old EU. In other words there isn't much to go on if we're trying to differentiate his technique from "typical" Jedi stuff. He can be a little aggressive but that's about it.

On the issue of canon, the currently stated position of the franchise is that everything is equally canon going forward, including books, games and comics released after a certain point ( the decanonization of the old EU ). The first new-canon comic was Son of Dathomir.

 

[RoJoHen]

Prophecies are crap. The Chosen One is crap. There is no "balance." There is only The Force. People can use it however they want. The Force is too big, too omnipresent to be thrown out of balance just because some people decide to make red lightsabers and shoot lightning out of their hands. The whole balance thing is nothing but Jedi propaganda to turn the galaxy against the Sith.

 

[DWF]

Prophecies are crap. The Chosen One is crap. There is no "balance." There is only The Force. People can use it however they want. The Force is too big, too omnipresent to be thrown out of balance just because some people decide to make red lightsabers and shoot lightning out of their hands. The whole balance thing is nothing but Jedi propaganda to turn the galaxy against the Sith.

That works until a boy comes along with the highest Midichrolian count ever seen in a lifeform. A boy who eventually grows up to take out the Sith and brfing balance ot the Force as their prophecy stated.

 

[Venardhi]

The "Light Side" channels the force and serves its will. The "Dark Side" bends it to the will of the user. The latter is disruptive, destructive, unbalanced. I don't see how this is so difficult.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Prophecies are crap. The Chosen One is crap. There is no "balance." There is only The Force. People can use it however they want. The Force is too big, too omnipresent to be thrown out of balance just because some people decide to make red lightsabers and shoot lightning out of their hands. The whole balance thing is nothing but Jedi propaganda to turn the galaxy against the Sith.

That works until a boy comes along with the highest Midichrolian count ever seen in a lifeform. A boy who eventually grows up to take out the Sith and brfing balance ot the Force as their prophecy stated.

I didn't need magic to throw an old guy down a well, and neither should you.

Maybe the robes were misleading, but the emperor didn't look all that heavy, and Darth Vader is 7 feet tall with robot arms, who if he was cautious, still bent with his robot knees when he picked up the old coot.

Maybe Vaders Force powers made his actions impossible to predict by looking into the future? Other than that, how hard is it to kill a head of state when 90 percent of his body appears to be surfacing cancer?

No seriously? They put THAT face on coins?

 

[Jax]

The Jedi were getting stale, arrogant and corrupt,

I can understand stale and arrogant but corrupt? The corruption was from the Republic more than the Jedi and influenced more so by the Sith

 

[DWF]

Prophecies are crap. The Chosen One is crap. There is no "balance." There is only The Force. People can use it however they want. The Force is too big, too omnipresent to be thrown out of balance just because some people decide to make red lightsabers and shoot lightning out of their hands. The whole balance thing is nothing but Jedi propaganda to turn the galaxy against the Sith.

That works until a boy comes along with the highest Midichrolian count ever seen in a lifeform. A boy who eventually grows up to take out the Sith and brfing balance ot the Force as their prophecy stated.

I didn't need magic to throw an old guy down a well, and neither should you.

Actaully Vader lifted him with his human arm, his bionic arm was cut off by Luke. And four Jedi triedot take down Palpatine in Ep. III and failed. Really the only perosn Palpatine trusted was Vader so Anakin was the only one who could take him down.

 

[Set Harth]

Actaully Vader lifted him with his human arm, his bionic arm was cut off by Luke.

That arm was also artificial, it was cut off by Obi-Wan.

 

[RoJoHen]

Yeah, by the time he became Vader, he didn't have any real arms left.

 

[RoJoHen]

Prophecies are crap. The Chosen One is crap. There is no "balance." There is only The Force. People can use it however they want. The Force is too big, too omnipresent to be thrown out of balance just because some people decide to make red lightsabers and shoot lightning out of their hands. The whole balance thing is nothing but Jedi propaganda to turn the galaxy against the Sith.

That works until a boy comes along with the highest Midichrolian count ever seen in a lifeform. A boy who eventually grows up to take out the Sith and brfing balance ot the Force as their prophecy stated.

Does it really count as prophecy if people find you and force you to do it?

 

[FreezeC77]

Prophecies are crap. The Chosen One is crap. There is no "balance." There is only The Force. People can use it however they want. The Force is too big, too omnipresent to be thrown out of balance just because some people decide to make red lightsabers and shoot lightning out of their hands. The whole balance thing is nothing but Jedi propaganda to turn the galaxy against the Sith.

That works until a boy comes along with the highest Midichrolian count ever seen in a lifeform. A boy who eventually grows up to take out the Sith and brfing balance ot the Force as their prophecy stated.

Considering we now see Snoke and an apprentice in TFA... doesn't really seem like some much bandied about prophecy of balancing the force by killing two Sith mattered since it is unbalanced again if your interpretation was Sith existing.

 

[sidious618]

One of the ideas in Revenge of the Sith that I liked, although it was underdeveloped, was that the prophecy of the chosen one was bullshit. There may not actually be a "balance in the Force" ever. The Jedi ended up being wrong about a lot, after all.

 

[Commander Richard]

The Jedi were getting stale, arrogant and corrupt,

I can understand stale and arrogant but corrupt? The corruption was from the Republic more than the Jedi and influenced more so by the Sith

Maybe not outright corruption, but they definitely lost their way.

Does it really count as prophecy if people find you and force you to do it?

Yeah. It would be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Yeah, by the time he became Vader, he was 'armless.

FTFY.

 

[DWF]

Prophecies are crap. The Chosen One is crap. There is no "balance." There is only The Force. People can use it however they want. The Force is too big, too omnipresent to be thrown out of balance just because some people decide to make red lightsabers and shoot lightning out of their hands. The whole balance thing is nothing but Jedi propaganda to turn the galaxy against the Sith.

That works until a boy comes along with the highest Midichrolian count ever seen in a lifeform. A boy who eventually grows up to take out the Sith and brfing balance ot the Force as their prophecy stated.

Does it really count as prophecy if people find you and force you to do it?

Nobody forced Anakin to kill Palpatine her did that all his own.

 

[Set Harth]

The Jedi ended up being wrong about a lot, after all.

They ended up being right about that.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Have you ever noticed how when you start replacing your wife with someone 15 years younger and half as smart, that the starter wife sorta spins out and sets a lot of your shit on fire?

Socrates had sex with a few of his students after they became adults, even though he was eventually executed for being a pedophile, but Aristotle has spent the last 2000 years assuring us that that was just political bullshit to screw with Alcibiades and had nothing to with the truth of the night life in Athens.

Do Jedi Master's and Jedi Apprentices (above the age of consent) ####?

In Return of the Jedi, Palpatine was going to cast aside Vader (who was dying), and take Luke as his new apprentice, and almost certainly also, his boyfriend too.

1. Darth Vader was saving his son from wanting to be the Emperor's snuggle toy. It's sad and horrible for a 130 year old to get his craggy dick wet in a 24 year old boy. Maybe if they were in love, but even then, is there enough Lube in the galaxy to pull that imperial foreskin back anymore? The power of the universe, and the power over minds and emotions flows through that old man, so being loved by the Emperor feels good, like 12 espressos before lunchtime, but also kinda awful, like 12 espressos before lunchtime, so it's a mixed bag of super creepy and ultimate pleasure... If the Emperor turned Luke to the Dark side, Young Skywalker was going to love the Emperor, and loving a monster is not something you want to pass on as a legacy is it? Luke had to be saved from his own weakness to give in to unrelenting ecstasy, so Vader killed the Emperor.

Or 2. Darth Vader loved Palpatine, and loved being loved by the Emperor so much, that he would rather kill Palpatine than allow his boo to live on after his passing and continue to have sex with other people including any one else other than his son too. DEATH is not permission to cheat on the dead. A funeral directors job should also be to mount chastity belts on the surviving spouse while the dead other half, bitter as fuck, is being buried. I believe the popular phrase to express this sentiment is "If I can't have you, no one else can either."

Or 3. After 20 years of being institutionally raped by his workplace superior... Institutional rape is not he same as ordinary rape. Institutional rape is when you allow someone with excessive leverage or power over you to follow through sexually because you can't say "No" without being fired or penalized, or in Vader's case, probably spaced out an airlock. If the Emperor was into receiving Erotic asphyxiation, does that mean all those Naval Officers Vader was killing in New Hope were just sex practice? Or was Vader a sneaky bastard cheating on Palpatine in plain sight, if it's him that likes choking more than his old man likes being choked... Unless the Emperor is too old to do much of anything anymore, and the last sexual act left in the manual he's capable of preforming is to watch security tapes of his boyfriend choking out random dudes? Yeah, so option 3, is that half dead Anikan was trying to save Luke from being Palpatines new never endingly violated sex furniture. It is literally the least Darth Vader could do to attempt a spot of good fathering at possibly the latest point in their relationship.