Do you think LGBT characters will feature more prominently?
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Because Kirk and Riker's sexuality was such a distraction?
Look, I have nothing against heterosexuals and some of my best friends are heterosexuals but there is a time and a place but on a family show I am not sure.
Well we wouldn't have to come right out and specific that Ensign Schlonged was straight, just don't show her in normal gay situations and the audience will eventual "get it."
I mean hell, any of the background extras could be be hetero, it's not like we have to spell it out for every one of them.
I mean hell, any of the background extras could be be hetero, it's not like we have to spell it out for every one of them.
Ensign Schlonged?
Two things:
1. When people are saying that an LGBT shouldn't be presented as one, I don't think they're talking about it in the same way that Lt. Hawk in Star Trek: First Contact was supposed to be gay without any opportunity to present that AT ALL. I think they're referring to just letting the character be themselves and letting it come across that they are who and how they are without showboating it and making them into a caricature of gay. No one ever had to explicitly say on the show, "Riker's straight" like they were telling us that Data is an android - we saw that as the show went, more naturally.
2. The same actor that played Lt. Hawk is playing Damien Darhk on "Arrow" - for some reason that JUST clicked over in my head.
1. When people are saying that an LGBT shouldn't be presented as one, I don't think they're talking about it in the same way that Lt. Hawk in Star Trek: First Contact was supposed to be gay without any opportunity to present that AT ALL. I think they're referring to just letting the character be themselves and letting it come across that they are who and how they are without showboating it and making them into a caricature of gay. No one ever had to explicitly say on the show, "Riker's straight" like they were telling us that Data is an android - we saw that as the show went, more naturally.
2. The same actor that played Lt. Hawk is playing Damien Darhk on "Arrow" - for some reason that JUST clicked over in my head.
I'm really tired of people talking about the inclusion of gay characters as if they're expecting it to be camp and awkward, as if it were all but impossible for gay characters to be written with the same maturity and dignity as straight characters.
And anyways, it's not as if Trek hasn't done some awkward showboating of heterosexuality. A whole lot of the first season of TNG come to mind on that.
And anyways, it's not as if Trek hasn't done some awkward showboating of heterosexuality. A whole lot of the first season of TNG come to mind on that.
Why can't a character just be LGBTQ+??? See The Flash...the police captain is gay and is just treated as any other orientation or relationship...
I won't be happy unless it's a man wearing a tight pink leotard flouncing about the place giving fashion advice and making wildly flamboyant double-entendres. If he doesn't mince onto the bridge with a daiquiri in hand, shouting "set phasers to stunning, sweetie" I'll be deeply disappointed.
Me too. If they're gonna do gay characters they might as well do them right.
Question, how did you find out he was gay?
We were "explicitly" informed that Riker was straight when we were told in a voice over (Deanna's thoughts) that he had a past relationship with another character who was female.
Good friend of Ensign Bismark.
IIRC the captain just mentioned his partner in passing. It was done very naturally and casually, in a blink and you miss it moment. The boyfriend later showed up in a minor role in a scene or two (now the fiancee having gotten engaged off screen) when the captain was hospitalized after being injured by a villain. Even the captain has been a very minor character. It's nice inclusion but he's barely a recurring character.
Other minor gay characters have shown up in Arrow. The most prominent LGBT character, not surprisingly, is a hot bisexual female, the least threatening LGBT character possible.
I think people are worried about that, because lazy TV writers have done that with gay characters in the past. If a gay character were to appear, people here want it done right, a badly done gay character, would, in many ways, be worse then not having a gay character present. I think though TV shows nowadays are better able to incorporate gay people into their shows.
I am of the feeling that a somewhat bad LGBT character would be better than no such character at all. Don't get me wrong, we all want a good character who is a good fit with the other characters.
I just don't want a situation where unless there absolute assurance of a perfect creation, then there's going to be no effort to write a LGBT character into any future show.
I would prefer a unattached sexually active male homosexual, but if the only way to obtain a Trek LGBT character is to go with a hot young busty bisexual female ... okay.
I don't want a Jack McFarland type character, although I did love him. But I also don't want someone in the same situation as Geordi LaForge who was (let's be honest) a loser when it comes to sexuality/romance. I do want someone who reasonable sexual active, this doesn't mean they have to be the ship's slut.
Personally I think by the 24th century that most people would become pansexual, given that bigotry and what not is dead and buried. Yes, some would have preferences, but its a big universe out there, why limit yourself to a single sex/gender when some races aren't going to share the two-way system that dominates our planet.
It's not like it would descend into an orgy in the middle of the bridge.
It's not like it would descend into an orgy in the middle of the bridge.
Or basically every romance ever...
I think the quote in your sig is a good example of how you can make a little philosophical sounding-off/stand-taking both natural to the story and fun.
Quite. TV has changed a lot since Star Trek went off the air. Currently the most prominent sci-fi show on the CW - the successor to UPN, where Voyager and Enterprise aired - has a bisexual lead, and the same can be said for two of Netflix's most successful series, House of Cards and Orange Is The New Black.
In the 1990s, it was a statement. Now it's something a lot of TV shows do.
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