Still don't see it as a utopia, that's a invention of some of the fans.
Soren was female, the episode made this clear, she lived in a society that had done away with traditonal gender roles. Riker was attracted to a woman.
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TNG was that. No conflict, a world without want or need, humans out preaching the gospel of how great they were to the rest of the cosmos.
There was plenty of talk from our heroes about how humanity had conquered war, poverty, prejudice, etc. That sure sounds like a utopia.
There's no way new Trek is ever going to present the Federation, and Earth in particular, as being homophobic or say that all gays were wiped out. It sounds like some fans wish that were the case though.
There's no way new Trek is ever going to present the Federation, and Earth in particular, as being homophobic or say that all gays were wiped out. It sounds like some fans wish that were the case though.
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Indeed. In a world where no one dies from poverty, war, or prejudice, that sounds pretty damned utopian to me, especially considering our current circumstances.
I can't speak for anyone else, but my suggestion was a story idea, not an expression of personal bigotry (which would be absurd and self-defeating from me). And the more I think about that story idea, the more I realize it wouldn't be worth it. While it *would* be interesting to see the shoe on the other foot, with the crew looking backward and having a lesson to learn from some planet they come across with a thriving and accepted gay population, I don't think it would be worth nixing the possibility of a gay regular character later.
Yes, well, the "utopia" shown in TNG and DS9 was pretty darned suspicious, with how easily and often the government fell to conspiracy or invasion, various mental hygiene ideas, and no slightest glimpse of what most of the non-Starfleet population was even doing with themselves.
They were making jambalaya.
And speaking of the government, while the president in one episode says he was elected, it was never made clear by whom. There's never a passing mention of the civilian population (or Starfleet officers) voting in government elections.
Except Humans continue to fight wars, the Dominion war certainly killed hundreds of thousands ... if not millions. Vulcans (often) are openly bigoted, they're Federation members in good standing.
Utopia (for me) come with a high threshold.
Not a wish as much as a possible explaination for what is being seen in-universe.
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On the show, no. But no civilization would call themselves an utopia because it's mythical. But based on how Gene would go around preaching about the ideals of the Federation like it was a religion, it's as close to an utopia that he could think up and get put on television.
I've always seen the UFP as a socialist paradise, wherein capitalism is dead and buried, everything people want and need are provided for all by way of replicators, and everyone (in the general population) regardless of origin, sex, race, religion and orientation is of equal status.
Sounds pretty nice if you ask me.
Sounds pretty nice if you ask me.
But did they destroy capitalism because they saw how unpleasant, unfair and corrupt it was? (because they evolved into nicer people who gave a shit about others) or did they destroy it because technology made it a redundant concept?
The former has a utopian nature. The latter is just apes moving moving.
A little of both.
Well, after Khan tried to create the gay master race, it was deemed too fabulous & the gay gene was outlawed. Only bromances are permitted by Federation law.
Seriously though, I'm ok with almost anything (Venture Bros is my other favorite show) but, they should only include characters they want to include, and not feel pressure to add tokens or pander. That would be a disaster.
Seriously though, I'm ok with almost anything (Venture Bros is my other favorite show) but, they should only include characters they want to include, and not feel pressure to add tokens or pander. That would be a disaster.
Nobody's asking for a token, and the only people who've been pandered to are heterosexuals considering 99.9% of every character in the franchise so far as been straight.
Never mind all the pressure from people against diversity.
Ultimately TPTB will put on any kind of show they want, with whatever characters they want.
Is this what they should do, I'd say no.
Look, left to the CBS television corporate mentality, what we'll end up with will be nothing more than a "fun" show, without anything particularly important to say. The show will be safe, get decent ratings and will roll along on pure formula. What I would prefer is a insightful meaningful show that isn't afraid to take chances, push boundaries, occasionally spark controversies and not settle for playing cultural catch-up with the rest of television (if even that).
If the only way to get a gay main character on Star Trek is to initially have them be the "gay token" ... okay fine. Really this wouldn't bother me, it's a foot in the door. It would bother me over time if the character remained a token, if the writers couldn't figure out how to write them, employ them in the group dynamic, give them their own voice.
Worf was originally the token Klingon, Roddenberry didn't want him on the show and at the start he didn't have much to do. In time he out grew the token status.
I don't think we all agree to that. Especially not the man skirt part, unless every male character wears it.
Yes I agree, a Brit would definitely make it easier for the backwards people of America to cope with homosexuality.
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