Retro Review: Deadlock
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Harry's and Naomi's deaths were both discussed at length by hux ehm father huxmas.
This is one of the better episode, with the holo doc revelling in his own achievements and the Viidians getting the shit end of the stick in the end. At least this episode was better than the demon planet one.
Janeway interacting with herself was a sight to be seen. No important scenes for Chuckles, though.
This is one of the better episode, with the holo doc revelling in his own achievements and the Viidians getting the shit end of the stick in the end. At least this episode was better than the demon planet one.
Janeway interacting with herself was a sight to be seen. No important scenes for Chuckles, though.
Love this episode so very much. As much as I enjoyed the Kazon arc, I really wish more was done with the Vidians. They were such a well written alien race, and I hated that the cure to the phage happened off screen.
Love this one.
The "Janeway can't even get along with herself" episode.
I'm still not sure how we explain the duplication here especially when it involves the destruction of the other ship. Some people have spoken in the past about parralel realities and the such (parralel Kim and Naomi) but most of us (I believe) view events as a simple issue of duplication.
If that's true though, then it does make you wonder about the anti-matter issue, the Viddians only seeing one ship and the explosive denouement that kills said Viddians. None of that really adds up and I'm open to the possibility that there could be some room for manoeuvre when it comes to a different reality (or maybe the entire universe was duplicated... yeah, that works).
I've started threads in the past about the dead Naomi counterpart and what they did with her. My position being that keeping it onboard would have been a major mind-fuck for Samantha and instead of a crappy B'Elanna mental health episode (Extreme Risk) there was perhaps an opportunity here to eventually do something interesting with Samantha regarding her mental state (based on the highly creepy notion that she squeezed out a dead child but then was handed a living duplicate while the dead version was kept in a sickbay drawer).
Did the doctor keep it just in case Naomi ever needed a lung (you know how dangerous space can be after all). If not, how exactly do you dispose of such a thing? What did the doctor do with the dead Kilingon B'Elanna from Faces? The Borg baby? Chakotay's charisma? Who knows?
And let's not forget, If this is a simple question of duplication then it also stands to reason that they could have picked up the dead floating version of Kim. Maybe they did. That would explain his wet-fish personality.
Always love watching this episode. Lots of fun to be had and yes, I'm convinced that the entire universe was duplicated.
The "Janeway can't even get along with herself" episode.
I'm still not sure how we explain the duplication here especially when it involves the destruction of the other ship. Some people have spoken in the past about parralel realities and the such (parralel Kim and Naomi) but most of us (I believe) view events as a simple issue of duplication.
If that's true though, then it does make you wonder about the anti-matter issue, the Viddians only seeing one ship and the explosive denouement that kills said Viddians. None of that really adds up and I'm open to the possibility that there could be some room for manoeuvre when it comes to a different reality (or maybe the entire universe was duplicated... yeah, that works).
I've started threads in the past about the dead Naomi counterpart and what they did with her. My position being that keeping it onboard would have been a major mind-fuck for Samantha and instead of a crappy B'Elanna mental health episode (Extreme Risk) there was perhaps an opportunity here to eventually do something interesting with Samantha regarding her mental state (based on the highly creepy notion that she squeezed out a dead child but then was handed a living duplicate while the dead version was kept in a sickbay drawer).
Did the doctor keep it just in case Naomi ever needed a lung (you know how dangerous space can be after all). If not, how exactly do you dispose of such a thing? What did the doctor do with the dead Kilingon B'Elanna from Faces? The Borg baby? Chakotay's charisma? Who knows?
And let's not forget, If this is a simple question of duplication then it also stands to reason that they could have picked up the dead floating version of Kim. Maybe they did. That would explain his wet-fish personality.
Always love watching this episode. Lots of fun to be had and yes, I'm convinced that the entire universe was duplicated.
Wouldn't they just eject them in the normal coffin er, torpedo casing? Chakotay's charisma? I would think a replicated cigar box would suffice.
Years ago, I started a thread about space funerals and the prime directive. Statistically, some of those (many) bodies shot out into space must have ended up on populated planets so wouldn't there be a prime directive issue there?
Imagine if an alien coffin landed on Earth today. It would blow our minds and change the nature of how we see ourselves (massively influencing world cultures etc).
Maybe Area 51 wasn't a space ship. Maybe it was just a coffin.
Imagine if an alien coffin landed on Earth today. It would blow our minds and change the nature of how we see ourselves (massively influencing world cultures etc).
Maybe Area 51 wasn't a space ship. Maybe it was just a coffin.
This is one of my favourite Star Trek episodes. It has a really classic feel to it and I loved the Vidiians.
Hux's post is food for thought. Now I'm trying to imagine what became of the dead Naomi, the dead Harry, the Borg baby,the Klingon B'Elanna and Chakotay's charisma.
Hux's post is food for thought. Now I'm trying to imagine what became of the dead Naomi, the dead Harry, the Borg baby,the Klingon B'Elanna and Chakotay's charisma.
Enjoy this one. Never skip it.
One of the numbered books "Echoes' (one of the better ones in the numbered series imho) deals with the fall out from this episode. String Theory uses the duplicate Harry and Naomi as a plot point.
I think the Borg baby stayed on board. We just don't see it.
One of the numbered books "Echoes' (one of the better ones in the numbered series imho) deals with the fall out from this episode. String Theory uses the duplicate Harry and Naomi as a plot point.
I think the Borg baby stayed on board. We just don't see it.
Also one of my favorite episodes. The ending with Janeway giving one final FU to the Vidiians is classic. If you haven't read the books stardream mentions do yourself a favor and pick them up. Great reads that follow up on this episode a bit.
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I've always said... OTHER Star fleet Captains merely threaten to blow up their ships with crew on board.
JANEWAY actually did it.
Love everything about this ep.
Especially this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8CKoE1hnkk
"...because, you know I'll do it."
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3..2..1..BOOM!
JANEWAY actually did it.
Love everything about this ep.
Especially this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8CKoE1hnkk
"...because, you know I'll do it."
[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8CKoE1hnkk[/yt]
3..2..1..BOOM!
Why not just point your torpedo at the sun, and make sure its running fast enough that it will burn up before any primitive cultures in the system will have the technology to intercept/study/retrieve it?
If anybody else intercepts it, they would've had to come from outside the solar system, meaning they have interstellar technology, and the prime directive doesn't apply... at least from the standpoint of introducing aliens to a culture that has no knowledge of their existence.
What makes this episode so curious to the mind are several things.
First the shot-out dead in the water Voyager wins the day like it always does.I had to watch it several times to get it straight. Secondly, Janeway encounters herself and has a colorful conversation with a dubious duplicate in either case. Why is one different than the other. Does a different sub-atomic arrangement imply she is different?
Thirdly, one side two beings(Naomi and Harry) become dead so is replaced with the other one. Zero mishape.
Of course, I went after that arena of physics like a fish thrown back in the lake. Physics depicts the fact that the two Voyager crews are the same, essentially, and that is just what happened.
First the shot-out dead in the water Voyager wins the day like it always does.I had to watch it several times to get it straight. Secondly, Janeway encounters herself and has a colorful conversation with a dubious duplicate in either case. Why is one different than the other. Does a different sub-atomic arrangement imply she is different?
Thirdly, one side two beings(Naomi and Harry) become dead so is replaced with the other one. Zero mishape.
Of course, I went after that arena of physics like a fish thrown back in the lake. Physics depicts the fact that the two Voyager crews are the same, essentially, and that is just what happened.
I'm pretty sure there was an episode where a dead crewmember's body was found and reanimated by an alien race. They weren't primitive obviously but its an example of an alien race finding one of Voyager's coffin torpedoes. Then there was the episode where Hogan's skeleton was found on the planet from Basics.
I don't think Hogan counts as an example of Star Fleet funereal practices.
IIRC, Hogan's remains were more like "what's left after a monster eats you" kind of thing.
I feel like I'm losing my mind with one particular scene on Deadlock. When Janeway was told Harry died. I could have sworn they reshot it or something. The first airing I thought, "I understand Captain Nerves of steel but Harry reached out to her in The Cloud and all he gets is a slight anti-dramatic pause when it's announced he's dead?!" I was mad at Janeway for a few mins.
And here's where I cannot agree with the DVD version which she shows a tad more remorse and says "What about Kes?" I could have SWORN she originally said "What about deck...."(can't remember which desk she 'said') And when Wang told the story he said what I thought and I went I KNEW IT. So I'm convinced they reshot the scene ;P
And here's where I cannot agree with the DVD version which she shows a tad more remorse and says "What about Kes?" I could have SWORN she originally said "What about deck...."(can't remember which desk she 'said') And when Wang told the story he said what I thought and I went I KNEW IT. So I'm convinced they reshot the scene ;P
Well in Janeway's defense her ship was on the verge of being destroyed. Mourn later.
Watching the Amazon version it goes like this.
Torres: "Torres to bridge. Ensign Kim is dead. Kes just disappeared."
Janeway: The mourning beat. "Disappeared?"
Torres: "I can't explain it. She just vanished..."
*Shit continues to hit the fan*
If anything Torres' reaction was more muted than it should have been just watching her friend get blown out a hull breach.
Watching the Amazon version it goes like this.
Torres: "Torres to bridge. Ensign Kim is dead. Kes just disappeared."
Janeway: The mourning beat. "Disappeared?"
Torres: "I can't explain it. She just vanished..."
*Shit continues to hit the fan*
If anything Torres' reaction was more muted than it should have been just watching her friend get blown out a hull breach.
^That seems consistent with my memory of the episode, though I haven't seen it in a very long time. Definitely one of my favorites though.
IIRC I was particularly impressed that they seemed to turn off the vertical hold on the monitor at the back of Kim's station when the ship got particularly damaged. Seeing the display skipping like that, to me, was just not something we'd seen done before and really brought home how compromised the ship was. More interesting than just having it shutdown entirely.
IIRC I was particularly impressed that they seemed to turn off the vertical hold on the monitor at the back of Kim's station when the ship got particularly damaged. Seeing the display skipping like that, to me, was just not something we'd seen done before and really brought home how compromised the ship was. More interesting than just having it shutdown entirely.
Another "parallell universe" story. Exciting here and there and a lot of good action and good effects. But still it doesn't really work for me. Why let the ship be so damaged when it still looks the same in the next episode.
The whole thing with "duplicate Kim" seems a bit unnecessary too except for the possible jokes about it.
All the main characters are higly involved in the story which makes the episode watchable. Besides that, two Keses on the ship would have been great for future episodes!
I'll give it 2 points out of 5
The whole thing with "duplicate Kim" seems a bit unnecessary too except for the possible jokes about it.
All the main characters are higly involved in the story which makes the episode watchable. Besides that, two Keses on the ship would have been great for future episodes!
I'll give it 2 points out of 5
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