Crashed Starfleet ship in STB?

[137th Gebirg]

Yes, of course, but it amuses me more to think that some junior officers got in trouble for trying to prematurely age several hundred barrels of non-synth Kentucky whiskey in the pockets of time-warp dilation that can occur within a warp drive nacelle.

 

[Kemaiku]

Mmmm, BBQ sauce coated starship.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

I'm wondering if the rusted crashed saucer in the pictures of the starbaseish looking place is from the Franklin after escaping from the planet the Enterprise crashes on.

 

[Mountie1988]

I'm wondering if the rusted crashed saucer in the pictures of the starbaseish looking place is from the Franklin after escaping from the planet the Enterprise crashes on.

might be a Constitution-like ship. like the old aston martin in Bond's 50th anniversary. Someone else pointed that out before.

 

[Mudd]

I expect that's the Franklin, yeah.

 

[BillJ]

I wonder if Beyond ends in Kirk and Company in limbo as far as their next assignment?

 

[SalvorHardin]

I wonder if Beyond ends in Kirk and Company in limbo as far as their next assignment?

It's possible.

If the Enterprise is truly destroyed, I don't think they'll be getting a new one at the end of Beyond.
The new design will probably happen after a sequel is greenlit.

 

[eyeresist]

Praxis is already destroyed and you're complaining it's too early for the Excelsior?

I had to google this. There is talk that the damaged moon was Praxis, though the writers never confirmed it. I always imagined Praxis as being some distance from Kronos - it was important to the Empire because it was resource rich, not because it was right next door to the capital city.

 

[nx1701g]

Praxis is already destroyed and you're complaining it's too early for the Excelsior?

I had to google this. There is talk that the damaged moon was Praxis, though the writers never confirmed it. I always imagined Praxis as being some distance from Kronos - it was important to the Empire because it was resource rich, not because it was right next door to the capital city.

Supposedly the viewscreen HUD, however, does identify it as being Praxis.

I know that they aren't canon, but the tie in novel for Khan does identify him as having been assigned to Project Praxis for Section 31. In it he infiltrates the moon and detonated charges that destroyed the planet.

 

[BillJ]

Praxis is already destroyed and you're complaining it's too early for the Excelsior?

I had to google this. There is talk that the damaged moon was Praxis, though the writers never confirmed it. I always imagined Praxis as being some distance from Kronos - it was important to the Empire because it was resource rich, not because it was right next door to the capital city.

It had to be real close. It was identified as a moon and that its explosion was depleting their ozone...

SPOCK: Good morning. Two months ago a Federation starship monitored an explosion on the Klingon moon Praxis. We believe it was caused by over-mining and insufficient safety precautions. The moon's decimation means a deadly pollution of their ozone.

 

[137th Gebirg]

That's the one major thing that confused me about that opening. If the shockwave was strong enough to reach speeds to get from Kronos to the neutral zone and knock the Excelsior about that violently, it should have done a hell of a lot more than deplete their ozone. They should have had the entirety of their atmosphere ripped away from the planet and every living being incinerated, if it was that close. Their home world might have even gotten a Ceti Alpha VI treatment and had its orbit shifted.

I concluded that it was a moon owned by the Klingons (hence "Klingon moon") but there's no way it was orbiting Kronos if it was that destructive an explosion.

 

[nx1701g]

^ I always thought that maybe Qo'Nos had planetary shields that protected them to a point.

 

[eyeresist]

That's the one major thing that confused me about that opening. If the shockwave was strong enough to reach speeds to get from Kronos to the neutral zone and knock the Excelsior about that violently, it should have done a hell of a lot more than deplete their ozone.

Good point about Excelsior. Non-serious speculation: maybe Excelsior was actually on a cloaked mission deep into Klingon territory, before they decided to turn tail and rush back to Earth at "full impulse".

 

[137th Gebirg]

Heh...that entire intro, while cool and shocking (starting off with the explosion and foreboding interstellar jeopardy) was rife with errors of that kind. Although, to be completely fair, your supposition may have a glimmer of merit, as IIRC the Excelsior was fitted with a cloak-like "Stealth Screen" in the 80's-vintage DC comic book series after Kirk & co. acquired it post-TSFS. It was a really long time ago and I can't remember details, just a vague recollection. Or maybe I got it mixed up with some FASA RPG storyline. Honestly can't recall clearly.

^ I always thought that maybe Qo'Nos had planetary shields that protected them to a point.

I could buy that - but, as you say, to a point. Say that the planet itself could have been largely protected - even shields would overload after such a withering force at that close a range. Additionally, non-shielded nearby worlds in that system would likely have been pulverized, or their orbits shifted as to do far more long-term geologic/gravimetric damage to Kronos than just a dodgy atmosphere. That aside, most of their entire fleet, space stations and drydocks in that and neighboring systems (not within the theoretical planetary shield), including Kronos 1 would have been decimated in the first nanosecond of the explosion - if, in fact, it was traveling so fast as to hit the Excelsior within a matter of minutes. The shock-wave would have to have basically been traveling at high warp to get there and not a single corporeal being in the vicinity would have had the time to turn on their shields before the shock-wave hit them. Sulu's crew barely had enough time to react themselves before the wave front reached their location.

If the true measure of destruction culminating from this explosion was explored, it could be argued that the Klingons never would have been in the position to wage any kind of war, much less border skirmish, after such a disaster. They would have been permanently crippled and never would have been able to negotiate at the Khitomer accords from a position of strength.

All in all, not an entirely unprecedented occurrence in the history of TOS Trek when things need to move at the Speed of Plot, but still pretty flimsy nonetheless without an unhealthy suspension of disbelief.

That being said, it's still one of my favorite TOS movies!

 

[Timo]

The easy way out is to say that about 99% of the energies of the explosion got pumped into subspace, moving out at high FTL - and that the remaining 1% leaked out from subspace back to realspace in a series of pulses, becoming snail-paced two-dimensional rings due to the weird geometries of subspace.

Qo'noS would have been in a zone where most of the energies moved out harmlessly through subspace, and only a little bit hit the atmosphere and created "a deadly pollution" of ozone in the lower layers by splitting oxygen molecules. That, plus a rain of rocks, did the damage, of which we saw nothing in the Shatner timeline but supposedly witnessed the effects on the Ketha Province in the Pine timeline (if so, though, it means Praxis in that timeline blew up in the 2230s-40s already, long before Khan, as the effects are "decades" old in the movie).

Regarding crashing ships, the various bumps and bruises the Enterprise gets in the first two movies seem to show that neither shields nor SIFs do squat about protecting against physical impact. How do starships still survive planetfall in that timeline?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Well, going by the trailer, it seems kind of obvious that the crashed ship is actually the ENTERPRISE.

Yeah, I don't know how they're going to get out of this one either, but Time Travel is probably involved.

 

[BillJ]

Well, going by the trailer, it seems kind of obvious that the crashed ship is actually the ENTERPRISE.

Yeah, I don't know how they're going to get out of this one either, but Time Travel is probably involved.

I don't know?

I think it's possible that we are left hanging on what happens with the crew and a new ship. Or that the crew is sent their separate ways at the end and Star Trek Four is a reunion movie.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I know most of the regulars are contracted for a fourth movie. What about Justin Lin? If there is a ST Four, will he direct?

 

[dahj]

^^
That will likely depend on the success of this one.

 

[OpenMaw]

Though we can never be sure with what people will do, Lin has kinda hummed and hawed the idea of doing another one. He's said he has other things he'd like to do. Which I can absolutely respect.