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Independence Day - Resurgence

Or they had the technology to generate an effect that made the ships move within a gravity well without effort, only having to deal with the friction of air. No pushing down or up, just a weightlessness generated by alien technology.
For Star Wars spaceships like the X-wing Starfighter, which maneuvers as if aerodynamically with control surfaces, I figure the "air" is the quantum foam and the "wings" (not the literal x-wings), is a generated field which reacts to the foam just like aircraft through air or submarines though water. This would work anywhere there's spacetime - i.e., everywhere. So I'm happy to apply the same concepts to any SF vehicle, such as in Independence Day, that flies similarly.
 
I mean comparing an advanced starship to a helicopter, fuck sake.

Hot diggity!

Why even bother with a computer virus? It was probably going to fall into a vortex ring state, or crash after walnut shell particles clogged up the transmission.

Considering their entire computer system was run by blind creatures with massive slimey barely-prehensile digits, it's a wonder they didn't press every wrong button in the place before they got here.
 
Are we seriously having pages and pages of discussion about that speech? Seriously??? Is that how important it is?

I must have watched something different, because I was more amazed by big stuff flying to Earth wanting to boom the place to hell.
 
This is a sequel to a movie where a character motivated by his alien abduction experience saves pretty much all the surviving cast by symbolically doing to the aliens what they did to him.
You know, I loved the bit in the first movie where even though they have actual aliens breathing down their necks, people still rolled their eyes at his abduction story! :lol:
 
Well, considering how long it took to rebuild the World Trade Center (aka The Freedom Tower), I'd say that total rebuild of any one of those cities would be impossible. Even if you had every construction crew in the country with no political red tape to get in the way, it would be hard to rebuild even just half of Manhattan.

Politics. Hopefully all the useless politicians were killed in the first strike (although I doubt it. I see Blair survived)

http://www.historiccoventry.co.uk/blitz/recovery.php is how Coventy recovered from being flattened, during a war where there were still attacks. Hiroshima was rebuilt in about 5 years once they started.

The damage per city wasn't terrible - the statue of liberty was knocked over, but people fairly close to the epicentre survived on the metro and in tunnels, fire engines were still drivable, etc.

As for worldwide deaths, Lets assume that there were 36 initial attacks (3 dozen). Say an average . We only saw the poor evacuation of the US cities (not using the other half of motorways), there's no suggestion that other countries also waited to evacuate, but even then people managed to get out, drive from NY to Washington, and pull up at the whitehouse without much of an issue.

Evacuation of a large portion of the cities seems fair enough -- Will Smith's neighbours were all bugging out at the start of the day, only people who went into work and stayed there until the evening of the attack got caught in the traffic.

Washington's population is under a million. Berlin 3, Paris a similar amount. Karachi, NY, LA and London are higher, but Jerusalem, Vladivostok, Athens etc are lower. Lets say the first wave hit 36 cities with an average of 2 million people each, half of whom managed to evacuate. That would be 36 million dead.

After that, there would be limited mass casualties - everyone would evacuate, and this was confirmed with the second phase of attacks. There were a further 72 cities destroyed, (although not my own home city of Manchester - not only did they blast Birmingham, which would be an improvement, but they then targeted Liverpool! Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Portugal, Iceland, Spain, Madagascar, Peru, etc were completely untouched)

I can't see more than 50 million dead, or under 1 in 100 people.

The centre of some key "landmark" cities will have been rebuilt for morale purposes, London, Washington, etc. Others may have been put on the "to-do" pile, but there's a lot of people available to rebuild, and 20 years is plenty of time, alien tech or no alien tech.
 
You know, I loved the bit in the first movie where even though they have actual aliens breathing down their necks, people still rolled their eyes at his abduction story! :lol:


That was one of the funny moments of the original movie. Here's real aliens but no we still don't believe this drunk. It's meant to be that way.

I love the original movie. I'm kind of hopeful for this sequel.
 
Leave it to Roland Emmerich to come up with yet another new angle on destroying massive cities. :lol:

I'm not exactly sold on this, but it doesn't look bad!
 
If there was any movie where that kind of destruction is appropriate it is this one. There was no way they weren't going to come up with some way to outdo the destruction in the original.
I'm pretty excited for it, it looks like it should be fun.
 
If there was any movie where that kind of destruction is appropriate it is this one. There was no way they weren't going to come up with some way to outdo the destruction in the original.
I'm pretty excited for it, it looks like it should be fun.
I completely agree.
 
Leave it to Roland Emmerich to come up with yet another new angle on destroying massive cities. :lol:


New Yorker- There must be another way of doing the credits!

New Yorker 2- That's right. Every time Roland Emmerich makes a movie New York get's wiped out

"Directed by Roland Emmerich"

New York- Leave us alone, Roland Emmerich!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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