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The First Trailer

You know, I think I've been waiting for a Trek trailer with something like modern music since around 1983.

I like the trailer score.

Why are people so against rock music in a Star Trek trailer? I don't get it.
Perhaps it depends on whether the characters are hearing the same music we do as the audience. It seems to me to be a bit of hubris to think that our more or less contemporary music is actually appreciated by those of the far future, imposing our tastes upon them. It is more believable that the music that has survived the ages - hundreds of years - such as classical would be more believably appreciated still in the future. Or maybe something different - just not anything that dates a movie. It's more suspect to me when the characters hear it than when it's just part of the score. Guardians of the Galaxy is a different beast altogether and the music is well-justified.
 
You can try and put a positive spin on it, but there's no question the trailer is getting a more negative reaction than any other trailer from the previous two films.

Which I personally think is okay. It drives discussion. If everyone thought it was great, we'd have already forgotten about it.
 
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The teaser is a little controversial, 29% dislike, 71% like on YT.

7 out of 10 like it and it has cut through the buzz of The Force Awakens on its opening weekend.

I'd say that this trailer is a pretty solid marketing move by Paramount.

I agree.

Well it already has 9 million views. If 70% of them buy a $12 ticket, the film is already off to a good start. And it's still seven months away.
7.4 million of those views are by Dennis though.

Indeed, I'm not sure if YT counts multiple views from the same person or not. But in either case, I think that sort of view count is consistent with big blockbuster trailers on YT. By contrast, the 1st Guardians of the Galaxy trailer on YT is one year old & is sitting at 3.7 million views. STB teaser 1 has 9.1 million views in two days? Yeah, no reason for concern.

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You know, I think I've been waiting for a Trek trailer with something like modern music since around 1983.

I like the trailer score.

Why are people so against rock music in a Star Trek trailer? I don't get it.
Perhaps it depends on whether the characters are hearing the same music we do as the audience. It seems to me to be a bit of hubris to think that our more or less contemporary music is actually appreciated by those of the far future, imposing our tastes upon them. It is more believable that the music that has survived the ages - hundreds of years - such as classical would be more believably appreciated still in the future. Or maybe something different - just not anything that dates a movie. It's more suspect to me when the characters hear it than when it's just part of the score. Guardians of the Galaxy is a different beast altogether and the music is well-justified.
Suggesting that counterparty popular music won't "survive the ages" is extremely snobbish, if not pretentious.
 
I don't understand all the hate for this teaser.

This teaser didn't come in a vacuum.

Ever since the reboot in 2009 a significant part of the fanbase has felt that the focus of the new films is leaning too much on action-advenutre. And then the first look at the third film did nothing to dissipate that notion, hence the initial negative reaction.

I'm sure cooler heads will prevail as more details come over the next few months, but this response should not really be that surprising to anyone.

I liked the other two movies a lot, I think they're great. But this trailer is shit.
 
If we're talking trailer views, then the Independence Day trailer has 14m views to Treks 9m....
 
TNG was incredibly guilty of implying that no good music came after the 1930s. Everytime the crew would relax and listen, it was either classical or jazz. No other genres, but maybe even less realistic, no music between the 21st-24th centuries. And no, the Mos Eisley music in Gambit doesn't count, since the crew was purposely out of their element.

Of course, the producers didn't want to risk making up music of the "future" because that's the fastest way to make something dated, and that's fair. And classical music is timeless. But by playing only pre-1930s classical and jazz, it really seemed like Trek's music scene had badly stagnated. Hell, classical composers are making new music today.
 
TNG was incredibly guilty of implying that no good music came after the 1930s.

When you play contemporary music you root the show in the present.

Since ST is in the future, that meant no Cindy Lauper on Data's playlist.

Simple as that.

(also, save money on royatlies, spend money on effects)
 
As indicated in Futurama, what is currently "contemporary popular music" will be considered ancient classical music centuries from now. ;)

Really, in much of Trek, whenever the intention is to depict a character as being more relatable to the audience, they are shown as enjoying 20th-century Western Hemisphere culture; for example, Riker and his jazz, or Paris and his Camaro, or young nuKirk taking a joyride in the Corvette. What happened to popular culture between now and the 23rd century?

Even classical music of the European type (which seems to indicate that characters are cultured) is only one variety of the more formal human musical traditions.

Kor
 
TNG was incredibly guilty of implying that no good music came after the 1930s. Everytime the crew would relax and listen, it was either classical or jazz. No other genres, but maybe even less realistic, no music between the 21st-24th centuries. And no, the Mos Eisley music in Gambit doesn't count, since the crew was purposely out of their element.

Of course, the producers didn't want to risk making up music of the "future" because that's the fastest way to make something dated, and that's fair. And classical music is timeless. But by playing only pre-1930s classical and jazz, it really seemed like Trek's music scene had badly stagnated. Hell, classical composers are making new music today.

I don't think it's such a matter of time periods, but more a matter of high/low culture. Until the latter TNG movies, and the Abrams movies, Star Trek characters tended to indulge only in what is often considered high culture - Kirk reads Dickens and quotes Shakespeare and D. H. Lawrence; Khan and Picard quote Herman Melville; Picard drinks tea and reads Shakespeare; Data plays violin; Riker plays trumpet (if my memory is correct); Picard plays flute; Sisko knows Vincent Hugo.

But in the most recent iterations, in the producers' attempts to branch out to audiences who don't themselves indulge in "high culture", the characters themselves have tended to indulge more in stereotypically "low culture" activities. In Nemesis, the tea-drinking, horse-riding, Shakespeare-quoting Picard suddenly loves off-road racing. Kirk, instead of calmly reading Dickens, now loves blasting punk rock music. If there were "concerts" in this new universe, like the ones they used to have in Ten Forward, they would likely be rock concerts. It's just another element of how Star Trek, as a property, has been deliberately removed from its "high culture" roots (or pretensions, if you're negative about it) to become more "low culture" (or more likeably popular, if you're positive about it.)

So, it's not really a matter of what sort of cultural products are likely to last a few centuries - it's more a matter of whether the writers and directors want us to think of these characters as upper-class consumers of high culture, or like hot dog-and-fries-eating "regular Joes" like they imagine the majority of their new audience to be.
 
What happened to popular culture between now and the 23rd century?

Kor
I'm sure the Eugenics War had something to do with it. Granted, there's been plenty of popular art made during past wars, but none of those saw the same level of mass global destruction and fallout.

Which is maybe why the only music Cochrane had access to was Steppenwolf.
 
Most of what you list are things that are either daydreams, took place on the holodeck, or in a holodeck-type environment. Tom Paris didn't really drive a pickup truck around the corridors of Voyager (they found the truck out in space), and the only time when he drove a 20th century vehicle on a planet was when he was literally in the 20th century.

Tom's '20th century interest' was a running character trait through the whole show, and the fact Trek characters just happen to end up in the latter half of the 20th century quite so often only strengthens the point - connections with contemporary America are commonplace in all Trek incarnations.

DS9 had a baseball that stood in for its lead character on more than one occasion, for crying out loud. Relics of the 20th/21st centuries have appeared in Trek all along. Kirk wore antique specs, and collected antique firearms. But a motorbike being around, and a young, hot headed lover of adventure enjoying riding one? Absurd.


It's amusing how many different uniform variations they have being used concurrently in this timeline.

Yes, noticed that. In fairness, it is actually quite realistic when compared with modern uniformed services both civilian and military that not only uniform changes quite regularly, but that there are often a dozen or more variations current at any one time, either officially sanctioned, or because people hang on to old kit. I attended a conference last month which included people from at least half of the police forces in our country - no two forces were wearing exactly the same uniform. Some got pretty close, but had different trousers, or metal shoulder numbers instead of embroidered ones, and there's a raging debate on whether we should wear black or white shirts, or have both for different occasions. Uniform may be many things, but it is rarely uniform.



This is sad. For those of us in the science and technology fields, what you are calling "technobabble" was the reason we watched. The real science, seeing in science fiction what is only theoretically (but realistically) possible, and lingo that "nerds and geeks" use on a daily basis.

So much of the technobabble in the Trek spinoffs was meaningless made-up deus-ex-machina gibberish that had nothing to do with real-world science or technology, so I don't see how anybody would be using it on a daily basis in real life. :confused:

Kor

Sure, some of it was. But lots of it was not. :) There is no way to explain the Q away as being other than escapees from Bewitched. And the sentient Doctor hologram of Voyager was ridiculous. Still, none of that ruined the fendamental foundations of Star Trek like magic Kahn reanimation blood, or Red Matter, or transwarp beaming. In this movie, the transporter is working so why don't they just beam everyone to earth from wherever they are? Nobody has to worry about being killed, as I'm sure there is a stash of magic tribble blood on hand to bring them back to life. Deus Ex Machina indeed!

Yes, there were certainly no TOS plots which should have had long term and permanent ramifications for the Trekverse but didn't.
In the fricking pilot we learn that crossing the great barrier gives you god like superpowers. Sure, no-one would ever want to go back and do that again. Who wants superpowers for heaven's sake?
We had humanoid sentient androids more than once on TOS who were indistinguishable from humans, and the ability to transfer consciousness into one. For all intents and purposes, immortality.
The slingshot manoeuvre for time travel is so simple the crew use it to do historical surveys and even later pull it off in a battered Klingon bird of prey based on the calculations of one Vulcan. History should never be safe from meddling if it were that easy. Anyone with a warp capable ship could change whatever they wanted. This should be hugely impactive but, hey, it isn't.
You can remove and replace people's brains with no lasting ill effects.
The crew steal a cloaking device from an enemy vessel and it's never seen again even though the 'Treaty of Algeron' explanation was nearly half a century away.
The Genesis device is, as is pointed out in the film, a game changing weapon. Which is never heard from again.

Then if we consider 24th Century real Trek (I've lost track of what's allowed, if I'm honest), and the first two seasons of TNG to be the closest to Roddenberry's 'correct vision', well, I point you to Unnatural Selection - store some DNA when you feel OK and you can be cured of any disease and have the ageing process reversed by transporter. A technology never heard from again.
The transporter can even create duplicates of you if you fancy a twin.

And ultimately, the biggest earthquake the fundamental foundations of the Trek universe, the Replicator, is introduced without real comment, and only seems to be used to make coffee. If anything would change the universe, the ability to build whatever you liked in seconds by 'beaming' it into existence trumps magic Khan blood every time. Combining the transporter and replicator means you could generate a clone army and an enormous fleet for them to explore on in what, an afternoon?


EXACTLY. The level of hate generated by the short 1:54 minute trailer is the absolute WORST that I have ever seen in Trek fandom.

For someone painting themselves as the guru of all things Trek, it seems you have forgotten the 'Akiraprise' debates, or any of the rest of the hate flying over the early releases about ENT. Or, for that matter, the 'cadet to captain' explosion of 2009. The great Beastie Boys controversy of 2015 pales in comparison.


I think it is warranted. Who wants to see 2 Fast Trek 2 Furious Guardians of the Stars? That short trailer may have killed millions in revenue. I think that any more trailers will only make things worse.
And I think the opposite of every one of those sentences.
 
I think the bottom line is, it's boldly different than any music that's been in Trek before.

As indicated in Futurama, what is currently "contemporary popular music" will be considered ancient classical music centuries from now. ;)

Really, in much of Trek, whenever the intention is to depict a character as being more relatable to the audience, they are shown as enjoying 20th-century Western Hemisphere culture; for example, Riker and his jazz, or Paris and his Camaro, or young nuKirk taking a joyride in the Corvette. What happened to popular culture between now and the 23rd century?

Even classical music of the European type (which seems to indicate that characters are cultured) is only one variety of the more formal human musical traditions.

Kor

I think it's safe to assume that everyone died in WWIII except Americans, British, French And maybe a few Russians & Eskimos.
 
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