Star Trek Anthology

[GSchnitzer]

Infraction to Phillip Guyott for spamming.

"You can't post the same thing multiple times on the board, or post the same thing over and over in a certain thread or forum, or continuously make posts that have no real content or relevance to what is being discussed.

"Spamming can even just be posting too much. As a general rule, don't post more than two or three threads in a forum within a reasonable length of time.

"Do not post more than twice in a row in the same thread. If you need to answer more than one person in the thread, please use the multi-quote function."

 

[Maurice]

Actually in the real Navy, captains whose ships hit a pier lose their commands. Captains who lose an entire ship and crew don't get another.

 

[Karzak]

Actually in the real Navy, captains whose ships hit a pier lose their commands. Captains who lose an entire ship and crew don't get another.

Well, let's remember that Garth went insane, kidnapped Federation personnel, and murdered Marta. He's getting his command back, so I guess anything is possible.

 

[Bixby]

Actually in the real Navy, captains whose ships hit a pier lose their commands. Captains who lose an entire ship and crew don't get another.

Didn't know that, thanks Maurice.

I wanted to add, with so much at stake both in terms of human/alien collateral and what is undoubtedly an expensive hunk of metal, I'd like to think there is no way in hell that an organization like Starfleet would rush into active service someone who clearly wasn't completely healed and fit for command (sorry Dreadnought Dominion).

 

[CRM-114]

I tried watching the trailer, but what does it say about the content of it if I put on another video to watch while I just let the trailer play on another screen?

 

[Squiggy]

Actually in the real Navy, captains whose ships hit a pier lose their commands. Captains who lose an entire ship and crew don't get another.

Well, let's remember that Garth went insane, kidnapped Federation personnel, and murdered Marta. He's getting his command back, so I guess anything is possible.

And Picard lost how many ships?

 

[SPCTRE]

Oh dammit. Will every single irrelevant character in Trek have their own fanwank produced about them?

I demand to know what happened with Dr. Boyce by way of a seven-part miniseries. If I don't see it, I will boycott JJ forever.

Dr. Selar or bust.

 

[Squiggy]

Also, there are probably hundreds of billions of people in the Federation.

If some human with confidence issues because she already lost a ship isn't ready to take command there are thousands of qualified officers to step up.

ADM: Commander Therapy, you've been assigned the USS Freud. You're to depart at 0500 tomorrow because of reasons.
CDR: But sir. I don't trust my command decisions. My last command was lost with all hands. Luckily I was able to not go down with my ship. It would probably not be wise to give me another command since not only am I an officer that makes poor decisions, but a coward too and now I'm wrestling with mental demons that would most likely cause the loss of another ship with all hand, except me, because coward.
ADM: By the Gods of Kobal, you're right. What are you even still doing in uniform? What the hell are we thinking?

 

[JimTheBuilder]

And it seems to be yet another "I don't know if I'm ready for this command" thing that so many fanfilms do.

Here I thought that they give commands and promotions to people who demonstrate confidence in themselves and their abilities.

You could well be right, its fair criticism. However to put it into context, this story arc is following on from Starship Ajax, (the Saladin-class Starship that was destroyed in the trailer). The Ajax series will act as a kind of prequel to Starship Challenger, although it is not part of the Anthology series. As the story goes, Colt was commander of the U.S.S. Ajax for 8 years until the ship was destroyed. She was an experienced and confident #1, but having lost her ship and crew, people whom she had known for years, it is to be expected that that such a person would take a knock in their confidence. This is the human equation and quite frankly if someone could just take command of another Starship straight after losing her previous ship and feel nothing, such a person would be a monster. It would be impossible for fans to be emotionally invested in such a character.

It's cheap melodrama, trying to ape Pike's situation in "The Cage." The difference there is that Pike was at the end of his ropes, lost too many people and wasn't sure if he still wanted the job. And I'm sick of that little fan film trope.

It’s true that Pike was at the end of his ropes, lost too many people and wasn't sure if he still wanted the job, but as far as I’m aware he never lost his entire ship and crew. The best Starfleet captains are those who face their fears head on and overcome. I have no idea if this series is going to be crap or not, but when taken into context of the prequel series (Ajax), the themes of command and loss are unavoidable and are completely appropriate here.

Ref: https://www.facebook.com/Starship-Ajax-111286342269229/

Thank you, Philip...obviously you've been following us a lot closer than the rest of these trolls. There was a reason why I didn't want anything about my production on this BBS...it's a meatgrinder for fanfilms. I honestly don't know what purpose it serves these "experts" to be so virulently nasty.

Philip's take is spot on....but that's only the half of it. Our story will be an arc about PTSD.

As far as Jodi being able to carry the roll.....buckle up, bitches...

 

[Karzak]

Thank you, Philip...obviously you've been following us a lot closer than the rest of these trolls. There was a reason why I didn't want anything about my production on this BBS...it's a meatgrinder for fanfilms. I honestly don't know what purpose it serves these "experts" to be so virulently nasty.

Philip's take is spot on....but that's only the half of it. Our story will be an arc about PTSD.

As far as Jodi being able to carry the roll.....buckle up, bitches...

I resent this broad implication that my critique of your trailers equates to me being a troll. I realize it's an emotional reaction to an opinion you aren't happy about regarding something you've obviously worked very hard on Jim, but try to be a little fair-minded here. Nothing I wrote above was "virulently nasty." Your comments however are clearly meant in an understandably defensive but entirely unnecessary hostile manner.

 

[JimTheBuilder]

Thank you, Philip...obviously you've been following us a lot closer than the rest of these trolls. There was a reason why I didn't want anything about my production on this BBS...it's a meatgrinder for fanfilms. I honestly don't know what purpose it serves these "experts" to be so virulently nasty.

Philip's take is spot on....but that's only the half of it. Our story will be an arc about PTSD.

As far as Jodi being able to carry the roll.....buckle up, bitches...

I resent this broad implication that my critique of your trailers equates to me being a troll. I realize it's an emotional reaction to an opinion you aren't happy about regarding something you've obviously worked very hard on Jim, but try to be a little fair-minded here. Nothing I wrote above was "virulently nasty." Your comments however are clearly meant in an understandably defensive but entirely unnecessary hostile manner.

Since your comments were comparatively reasonable and supportive, I obviously wasn't speaking of you...

 

[JimTheBuilder]

Upon further review, I retract my previous statement.

It seems there are only a few here who ever have anything nice to say, which is why I did not approve of this thread. I wish I'd been asked first before this started...I'd have said "Hell NO".

Just to keep things in perspective, fellas, this is a FAN film. I'm not sitting on a THRONE of money like some other so-called fan films. This is all from little donations and everyone's loose change. It's supposed to be fun. A lark. Friends getting together to create and tell a good story...but there's always someone out there who just has to smashmouth and crap all over people's work after only seeing a few clips.

Show me YOUR film and we can talk. (And no, Maurice, not you. I like EXETER, even tho it took you guys TEN YEARS to get it done.)

Try to un-jaundice your eyes, fellas.

 

[Karzak]

Thank you, Philip...obviously you've been following us a lot closer than the rest of these trolls. There was a reason why I didn't want anything about my production on this BBS...it's a meatgrinder for fanfilms. I honestly don't know what purpose it serves these "experts" to be so virulently nasty.

Philip's take is spot on....but that's only the half of it. Our story will be an arc about PTSD.

As far as Jodi being able to carry the roll.....buckle up, bitches...

I resent this broad implication that my critique of your trailers equates to me being a troll. I realize it's an emotional reaction to an opinion you aren't happy about regarding something you've obviously worked very hard on Jim, but try to be a little fair-minded here. Nothing I wrote above was "virulently nasty." Your comments however are clearly meant in an understandably defensive but entirely unnecessary hostile manner.

Since your comments were comparatively reasonable and supportive, I obviously wasn't speaking of you...

Upon further review, I retract my previous statement.

It seems there are only a few here who ever have anything nice to say, which is why I did not approve of this thread. I wish I'd been asked first before this started...I'd have said "Hell NO".

Just to keep things in perspective, fellas, this is a FAN film. I'm not sitting on a THRONE of money like some other so-called fan films. This is all from little donations and everyone's loose change. It's supposed to be fun. A lark. Friends getting together to create and tell a good story... but there's always someone out there who just has to smashmouth and crap all over people's work after only seeing a few clips.

You haven't given us anything other than "a few clips." When the larger picture we get from that doesn't line up with what you envision, its our fault?

I get that this is for fun, but don't hide behind that to cover your own bad behavior. If it were JUST for fun, you woudln't be putting it out for the entire world to see. Putting it out there you have to know you're going to get both positive and negative reactions. I just don't understand why you can't handle the negative kind without resorting to ridiculous and foolish ultimatums like this:

Show me YOUR film and we can talk. (And no, Maurice, not you. I like EXETER, even tho it took you guys TEN YEARS to get it done.)

Try to un-jaundice your eyes, fellas.

...also, those are some brave words, criticizing Exeter for taking ten years to be completed when we have yet to see anything completed from Ajax or Anthology. Frankly, your lousy demeanor has soured me greatly on your project which I already had some serious reservations about to begin with.

Best of luck to you; if you keep up like this you're going to need it.

 

[Maurice]

Show me YOUR film and we can talk. (And no, Maurice, not you. I like EXETER, even tho it took you guys TEN YEARS to get it done.)

What the FUCK was that crack about?

 

[JimTheBuilder]

I get it. You can dish it out but....

That's all good, guys. The proof will be in the pudding. Carry on savaging others hard work. I'm sure it boosts your egos.

Karzak, no one is MAKING you watch the thing. Take a chill pill. Stop acting like everyone owes you excellent work right out the gate. Actually, we owe you nothing. We're fledgling and doing our best to learn. It's about FUN, SHARING and FUN. We don't expect a fucking Academy award.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

Upon further review, I retract my previous statement.

It seems there are only a few here who ever have anything nice to say, which is why I did not approve of this thread. I wish I'd been asked first before this started...I'd have said "Hell NO".

For better or worse, when you put things out into the world, you rarely have control over where, how and when people discuss it.

A discussion thread doesn't need the permission of any party.

Just to keep things in perspective, fellas, this is a FAN film. I'm not sitting on a THRONE of money like some other so-called fan films. This is all from little donations and everyone's loose change. It's supposed to be fun. A lark. Friends getting together to create and tell a good story...but there's always someone out there who just has to smashmouth and crap all over people's work after only seeing a few clips.

I've been a part of this forum for years now and there are a lot of us who have taken the time to fairly critique fan films. Our goal has always been to highlight opportunities for improvement for the next production.

I have had a great passion for fan films in the past and a strong desire to see them improve, set a higher bar of storytelling quality.

It's continually disappointing to see when films fall back on the same old tropes, not progressing their narratives. And focusing more on the minutia of canon or making museum sets.

Now that doesn't mean it can't be fun. STAR TREK should be fun. But it's not just about the fun. It's about the story and the execution.

Show me YOUR film and we can talk. (And no, Maurice, not you. I like EXETER, even tho it took you guys TEN YEARS to get it done.)

Try to un-jaundice your eyes, fellas.

That's a backhanded crack, followed by a frontward punch.

And frankly the ad hominem "show me your film and we can talk" attack of fan film producers is getting tiring.

 

[CJCade]

Whether you make something for fun or not, when you share it with the world you open yourself up to critique of your work. You have to have thick enough skin to take the bad with the good or you shouldn't be posting it publicly. Sure, it may sting, but throwing a temper tantrum in public shows a level of immaturity like that of a child.

I speak from experience of putting my own stuff out there and dealing with it first hand.

I do have to say, I was looking forward to this but after the display in this thread, I doubt I will be watching. I know, no one is forcing me to watch and you don't care if I do or don't, but if you didn't want people to watch it, you wouldn't put it out there to be viewed by others.

 

[Karzak]

I get it. You can dish it out but....

That's all good, guys. The proof will be in the pudding. Carry on savaging others hard work. I'm sure it boosts your egos.

Karzak, no one is MAKING you watch the thing. Take a chill pill. Stop acting like everyone owes you excellent work right out the gate. Actually, we owe you nothing. We're fledgling and doing our best to learn. It's about FUN, SHARING and FUN. We don't expect a fucking Academy award.

Even if that pudding is the same pudding we've been getting for the past decade-and-then-some, and in some cases prepared by chefs who at least sort of knew what they were doing?

Never in my life have I meant this next sentence than I do now:

Physician, heal thyself!


I certainly will be reserving my final opinion on your film until it's finished and I can evaluate it as whole, but so far there's not been much there that we haven't seen over and over again from other parties, some of whom have done so much better than what you've offered.

It has nothing to do with egos. It has everything to do with, as Ryan Thomas Riddle mentioned above, offering critique in a constructive manner.

This amateurish behavior from you is entirely disappointing though not surprising, given that you work with people like James Cawley and Alec Peters, faces in the fan film world who are equally unable and unwilling to accept ANY kind of criticism either. It may be about fun for you guys, but you're also certainly doing your part to suck that fun out of it for everyone with this temper tantrum.

Believe me, I'm not watching Star Trek Anthology for any Academy-award winning material. I never said you owed me anything. Very little I've seen from it has been anything I'd call "good" yet. I'm just a viewer on the internet who was moderately interested in your project who you have now completely alienated. I'm glad to see you are at least self-aware enough to know that you have a lot to learn.

While you're at it, you might consider looking at yourself from that same, self-aware perspective when it comes to how you deal with criticism and how you interact with your audience, because if you're the PR person for Star Trek Anthology, you're absolutely terrible at it.

Also, you may not owe me anything, but you sure as hell owe Maurice a goddamn apology.

 

[GSchnitzer]

I'm not sure where to go with this....

We've seen this dynamic before:

"In my fan film, the sky will be light blue."

"In my experience, powder blue is often a better choice."

"How dare you attack my choice of blue. My choice of blue is beyond all criticism! You are just attacking me! You are a troll! Be gone, arrogant negative troll!"

Contrary positions are not actually trolling. Please develop thicker skin.

Not everybody has thick skin. Be unusually polite and supportive. Don't swear so much--even if it's your "style." Too much swearing constitutes "adult content" and is a board infraction.

Don't take umbrage. Don't take umbrage at people taking umbrage.

Fan films using the same tired old tropes? Heck, people should worry about board members trotting out the same old *forum* tropes in their posts.

 

[Maurice]

I get it. You can dish it out but....

Frankly, my objection was to that out-of-nowhere ALL-CAPS crack about Exeter taking 10 years to complete; as if that had anything to do with anything in this thread. That comment was an unnecessary smack in the face to a bunch of nice hard-working people just to pre-emptively deflect any criticism you thought might be coming from me.

My one and only real comments here were on a couple of technical things and that the story as portrayed in the trailer is something seen in many recent fanfilms. If you want to argue the veracity of that statement, by all means, but don't take potshots at other people in your zeal to put a "troll" umbrella over everyone who doesn't throw rose petals in your path.