Supernatural, season 11 *SPOILERS!*

[eyeresist]

It was a fun episode.

I don't know what an imaginary friend is supposed to look like, but I didn't expect these seedy-looking middle aged guys!

There was actually a lot of emotion in the episode. I put that down to the writers, and the guy who played Sully - not impressive at first glance (dat gut), but he was the emotional anchor of the piece.

So Reese killed several Zana in cold blood, but it's all fine now because hugs?

Sam seems to be extrapolating an awful lot from his fairly vague visions...
Occasional flashes of the Cage = God says Sam has to go in the Cage to stop the Darkness?
If this turns out to actually be right, I will roll my eyes a lot.

 

[Mr Light]

I liked the imaginary friends episode. It's a hell of a lot better than yet another demon/vampire/werewolf story

 

[eyeresist]

Has anyone here actually had an imaginary friend? I'm wondering if it's more a trope than a real thing.

 

[Mr Light]

I vaguely remember having an invisible friend. He name was Memos and he was a Space Cowboy. I remember having to buckle his seat belt in the backseat of the car but that's it.

 

[tnpir4002]

Sam seems to be extrapolating an awful lot from his fairly vague visions...
Occasional flashes of the Cage = God says Sam has to go in the Cage to stop the Darkness?
If this turns out to actually be right, I will roll my eyes a lot.

This was exactly the problem last year with the Mark of Cain. Too many conclusions that they didn't provide support for; we were expected to just take Sam's word for how bad Dean was getting, without any on-screen evidence that it was actually happening.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

Has anyone here actually had an imaginary friend? I'm wondering if it's more a trope than a real thing.

I've never had one and to my knowledge I've never known anyone who has had one.

 

[tnpir4002]

Less than halfway through tonight's episode...one word:

EPIC.

MUST SEE.

MORE PLEASE MORE.

NO WINTER HELLATUS PLEASE!!!

(...okay, maybe that was more than one word.)

 

[Snick27]

I'm so confused here guys. Where is Michael? Shouldn"t he be in the cage with Lucifer?
Nothing was even mentioned about him like he was never there.

Also Did God and his Sister make the Leviathans first, and then the Angels second? Trying to get the time line down.

 

[tnpir4002]

I'm so confused here guys. Where is Michael? Shouldn"t he be in the cage with Lucifer?
Nothing was even mentioned about him like he was never there.

I found that strange too...but since Lucifer was the original bearer of the Mark, it would make sense that they'd only be interested in what he had to say. Not an excuse to avoid even mentioning him though...

I'm kind of feeling the same about Cas. If he'd been in tonight's episode, it's probably fair to assume he'd have insisted on being right there when the angels confronted Amara, and...well...we saw how that turned out. Probably best that they didn't include him, lest they have to come up with a contrivance to keep him out of harm's way.

Also Did God and his Sister make the Leviathans first, and then the Angels second? Trying to get the time line down.

I think that by the time God created the Leviathan, Amara was already sealed away. Death said in "Meet the New Boss" that "long before God created angel and man, he created the first beasts," the Leviathan.

 

[Snick27]

I'm so confused here guys. Where is Michael? Shouldn"t he be in the cage with Lucifer?
Nothing was even mentioned about him like he was never there.

I found that strange too...but since Lucifer was the original bearer of the Mark, it would make sense that they'd only be interested in what he had to say. Not an excuse to avoid even mentioning him though...

I'm kind of feeling the same about Cas. If he'd been in tonight's episode, it's probably fair to assume he'd have insisted on being right there when the angels confronted Amara, and...well...we saw how that turned out. Probably best that they didn't include him, lest they have to come up with a contrivance to keep him out of harm's way.

Also Did God and his Sister make the Leviathans first, and then the Angels second? Trying to get the time line down.

I think that by the time God created the Leviathan, Amara was already sealed away. Death said in "Meet the New Boss" that "long before God created angel and man, he created the first beasts," the Leviathan.

But didnt Lucifer say he was there when God put Amara away? So if so then this had to be after the Leviathans.

 

[tnpir4002]

But didnt Lucifer say he was there when God put Amara away? So if so then this had to be after the Leviathans.

I took you literally--you said "angels," not "archangels." It's been said that it took God and the four archangels to defeat Amara--so it's fair to assume the timeline looks something like this:

• "In the beginning..." there was God and The Darkness
• God creates the four Archangels
• The five of them defeat Amara and seal her away
• God creates the Leviathan, then seals them into Purgatory
• God creates angel and man
• Lucifer rebels, is cast into the Cage

And the rest, as they say, is history.

 

[tnpir4002]

I know I keep seizing on this, but two things caught my eye tonight. The angels just seemed to appear out of nowhere for the confrontation with Amara--have they suddenly got wings again? I was listening and there was no fluttering sound.

As I half-expected, Lucifer's powers don't seem to have been affected by Metatron's spell, since we saw him aport Sam into the cage with him--something no angel has been seen doing since "Sacrifice," and which not even Gabriel seemed able to do in "Meta Fiction."

It's bothering me that they can't seem to keep their own mythos straight. Carver himself said that after "Sacrifice" they couldn't teleport, and there was no evidence that heaven's portal was being used. Plus, if the gates are still sealed, then it makes me wonder how they arranged the lightning storm at the end--that doesn't seem like it should be possible.

 

[QCzar]

I'm so confused here guys. Where is Michael? Shouldn"t he be in the cage with Lucifer?
Nothing was even mentioned about him like he was never there.

Except that wasn't the actual 'Cage' cage. Otherwise Luci would've been in it (with Michael) when they arrived, rather than having to be summoned. It quite clearly isn't the same (they look nothing alike). It seems more like Hell's version of an airlock. Thus Michael, who wasn't part of the "Devil's Deal", wasn't summoned.

Keep in mind they're making all of this up as they go. That said, I don't think they've forgotten about Michael being there. The writers probably just haven't figured out how and/or whether or not to reintroduce his character into this arc.

 

[eyeresist]

Maybe Michael is the Big Bad next year!

• "In the beginning..." there was God and The Darkness
• God creates the four Archangels
• The five of them defeat Amara and seal her away
• God creates the Leviathan, then seals them into Purgatory
• God creates angel and man
• Lucifer rebels, is cast into the Cage

Hmm. Just wondering when Hell was created.

 

[Gryffindorian]

I sorta knew it was Lucifer who planted those visions in Sam's head to get him to come to hell. Has God ever made an appearance on the show? He is a non-interventonist after all.

 

[auntiehill]

^Yeah, me too. I kept wondering why Sam didn't think of that. Still Lucifer did a good job with the burning bush and all. Love seeing Luci, though. I thought it was pretty clear that he wasn't in THE cage; he was summoned into another one. That's why they had Rowena put a warding spell around it, for protection...which clearly did little good. I'm assuming Rowena did that on purpose.

Finally things are rocking and rolling.

And, of course, they're now on holiday-season hiatus. Damn it!

 

[Snaploud]

I assumed it was Lucifer sending the visions. It was really weird that neither of the Winchesters even considered it as a possibility.

 

[tnpir4002]

I assumed it was Lucifer sending the visions. It was really weird that neither of the Winchesters even considered it as a possibility.

It's a parallel with the story of Cain and Abel. Remember Cain's description last season? "He wasn't talking to God. He was talking to Lucifer."

Followed by "[Abel's] soul in heaven, for mine in hell."

Makes you think!

 

[Mr Light]

That was a good episode. I did operate under the assumption that they were selectively removing Lucifer only from the cage, but it's still a criminal omnission not to even name drop the fact that Michael is in there, and that SAM'S OTHER BROTHER is in there too.

I was surprised and disappointed to learn that God wasn't speaking to Sam this whole time.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Does anyone else gets the impression that Amara is a rip off from Jasmin on Angel?