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On season 4 of Buffy...should I be watching Angel?
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Also, the Netflix icon for Angel has Spike in it, which is kind of spoilery.
But it begs the question, how will Angel react when he finds out Spike is allowed to experience contentment? I see some major jealousy here. I don't know yet if Spike will get to sex Buffy again, but I'm not sure how Angel would cope with the idea that another souled vampire can sex Buffy without becoming evil.
So far in my experience of Buffy, 2-3-5-7 are the good seasons. Which is cool because they are prime numbers. The Buffyverse may have a prime number rule similar to Star Trek's even number rule.
But it begs the question, how will Angel react when he finds out Spike is allowed to experience contentment? I see some major jealousy here. I don't know yet if Spike will get to sex Buffy again, but I'm not sure how Angel would cope with the idea that another souled vampire can sex Buffy without becoming evil.
So far in my experience of Buffy, 2-3-5-7 are the good seasons. Which is cool because they are prime numbers. The Buffyverse may have a prime number rule similar to Star Trek's even number rule.
Don't worry, there's pay-off here and not in the way that you might think...
I think the jerkiness of the story (and lack of logic behind several plots) always had to do with Charisma's real life pregnancy really messing up the original plan. The rewrites and workarounds where just all over the place.
IIRC Charisma really did balloon up towards the later stages of her pregnancy, thus probably making it more difficult to work around even using your standard ways of TV shows hiding an actresses pregnancy (i.e, tight shots or comical large objects in the fore-ground et cetera). I hate to say it, Charisma really did look bloated in quiet a number of those episodes.
I think it was 'Habeas Corpses' 04x08 (the return episode after a 2 month mid season break) where it really did start to show and that is also the point where I also felt the plot really went down hill.
Compared to say, Alyson Hannigan's pregnancy towards the later half of HIMYM 4th season, where it was hid, I thought, pretty decently and the fact AH didn't seem to suffer the same bloating/ballooning issues CC did..
I don't know, even when the tried to hide the pregnancy, I thought they always did a pretty awful job at it. Even at best it just looked... off.
I recall the original plan was to have Charisma Carpenter playing the Big Bad for the season (whether or not it was actually Cordy or something else using her as a vassal - well that is another story).
Anyway, while I see the issues you see, real life issues at the time I think played a big part of it.
I like the way Angel got re-souled, I was worried they weren't going to earn it properly. Also after they very clearly staged the final fight scene to be in the same place Angel was first notified of Buffy I'm surprised they didn't specifically have Angelus complain that this was the day he was drawn into the fight for good.
They seemed to dodge talking about things that you'd think the characters would react to. Like, the fallout of the revelation that Angel is not the only vampire with a soul now might throw a different spin on prophecies and I think they just didn't want to talk about that in their story.
Not sure how I feel about this revelation of the Principal being the son of one of the slayers Spike killed. It seems just a bit coincidental and having a son seems to contradict Spike's narrative about how the slayers lost because they had nothing to hold onto in the world.
And I was 90% sure Faith wasn't going to survive the resouling of Angel, then in the next Buffy episode Kennedy would suddenly be activated. Should be interesting to see how Buffy and Faith coexist.
They seemed to dodge talking about things that you'd think the characters would react to. Like, the fallout of the revelation that Angel is not the only vampire with a soul now might throw a different spin on prophecies and I think they just didn't want to talk about that in their story.
Not sure how I feel about this revelation of the Principal being the son of one of the slayers Spike killed. It seems just a bit coincidental and having a son seems to contradict Spike's narrative about how the slayers lost because they had nothing to hold onto in the world.
And I was 90% sure Faith wasn't going to survive the resouling of Angel, then in the next Buffy episode Kennedy would suddenly be activated. Should be interesting to see how Buffy and Faith coexist.
Spike probably didn't know that any Slayers had children.
Buffy and Faith co-existed in season 3 pretty well, until Faith went all "knife-hungry."
Buffy and Faith co-existed in season 3 pretty well, until Faith went all "knife-hungry."
I didn't have issue with Robin being Nikki the Vampire Slayers son because...
It was explained he was there to seek revenge against Spike for killing his mother (after being tipped off who and where Spike was - by the First Evil no less), as opposed to random coincidence.
Exactly. It's also good because now Buffy knows that she can have children even though she is the Slayer. That she can still have a semi-normal life.
I suppose maybe Spike was just wrong as to why he won that fight. 
They're busy right now but they seemed pretty casual in that scene where they were saying goodbye to Willow, you just think the topic of Spike's soul would have come up. Since they seem to have told each other everything else going on in their lives offscreen.
Looks like Buffy and Angel are out of sync now as Faith didn't show up in Buffy the episode after she left with Willow in Angel. Might need to look up the actual air dates.
It's true Buffy and Faith got along before Faith went off the deep end but Faith did some things by her own free will that are pretty difficult to forgive and the last they saw each other was that blowup where she found her with Angel. Buffy is in practical mode right now so I'd see her taking any new big gun she can get, but still hating her guts and not really trusting her.
They're busy right now but they seemed pretty casual in that scene where they were saying goodbye to Willow, you just think the topic of Spike's soul would have come up. Since they seem to have told each other everything else going on in their lives offscreen.
Looks like Buffy and Angel are out of sync now as Faith didn't show up in Buffy the episode after she left with Willow in Angel. Might need to look up the actual air dates.
It's true Buffy and Faith got along before Faith went off the deep end but Faith did some things by her own free will that are pretty difficult to forgive and the last they saw each other was that blowup where she found her with Angel. Buffy is in practical mode right now so I'd see her taking any new big gun she can get, but still hating her guts and not really trusting her.
Buffy and Faith have always had a complicated non-relationship but seeing as what the gang is up against, they could use another full-strength Slayer.
Being on different networks meant the shows weren't airing 1:1, so they're a couple of episodes out here. You may have to double up some Angel episodes to get its final before Buffy's last two for the minor crossover.
Robin showed up on the Hellmouth at the very beginning of the season, long before he found out who or where Spike was. IIRC, he only learned that bit the episode before he tried to kill Spike.
He also got himself involved in slayer business before finding out as well, and I think I recall him saying in that particular episode that he intentionally came to Sunnydale to help Buffy (but that he had to work up the courage/make sure he was ready before he finally took the plunge).
He also got himself involved in slayer business before finding out as well, and I think I recall him saying in that particular episode that he intentionally came to Sunnydale to help Buffy (but that he had to work up the courage/make sure he was ready before he finally took the plunge).
I can see Faith showing up at Buffy's doorstep with a card with a picture of a wide eyed puppy saying 'Sorry I tried to steal your body'.
Is there any place I can see a list of air dates for Buffy and Abgel that does not contain synopses?
Is there any place I can see a list of air dates for Buffy and Abgel that does not contain synopses?
Yeah I was gonna mention this, the whole "watch one Buffy, then an Angel, then Buffy, then Angel..." doesn't work for B6/A3 and B7/A4.
Well, for B6/A3 it doesn't really matter as there aren't any direct crossovers, I don't know where you're up to but just as long as you watch...
B: Lies My Parents Told Me before A: Orpheus, followed by B: Dirty Girls.
But I'm guessing you've already seen them. But just make sure you've finished all of Angel Season 4 before watching the last two episodes of Buffy Season 7
(even the airdate order was a bit off for the Faith/Willow crossover, as Lies My Parents Told Me aired after Orpheus when it's actually set before)
I think out of those I've only seen Orpheus. Maybe after I hit Dirty Girls I'll just finish out the Angel season.
I'm starting to think Andrew should have just turned himself in so he could plead diminished capacity.
I'm starting to think Andrew should have just turned himself in so he could plead diminished capacity.
^ What makes you say that?
I think that's safe. Once Faith makes her way back to Sunnydale, the crossovers are done for a while. You need to watch the Angel season finale before you watch the Buffy finale, but otherwise you're good to go.
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