"Hell Bent" Grade and discussion thread
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So How did the doctor exit here?
GAWD, I hope so!
This one was a mixed bag. I go batshit crazy over anything set on Gallifrey, so I was happy. When the General regenerated I ran around the room screaming "SHE'S BLACK!!!! SHE GOT AN UPGRADE!!!!" because God knows it's nice to see some diversity in the Time Lords.
Loved Rassilon's outfit, but did they have a special run on Red velvet and everybody decided to wear the same damned color every. Frickin. Day. Until Eternity???
Jenna and Peter are the best part of this season, and I thought the episodes were up and down. I'm so sick of 2 parters, and since I don't read spoilers I never knew they were coming until the last 10 minutes or so.
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What surprises me is the amount of angst this episode has caused with the so called fans.
There's people in panic mode on the official DW facebook page dreading the thought of a female Doctor.
I don't get it. Why so upset?
There's people in panic mode on the official DW facebook page dreading the thought of a female Doctor.
I don't get it. Why so upset?
Because all the models are meant for Time Lords, and he asked for one that was human compatible?
ADJECTIVE
- (of two things) able to exist or occur together without conflict
The butt-hurt going around over potentially having a female Doctor is getting ridiculous. Thankfully it's limited to a very small if very vocal subgroup of fandom. Indeed, the greater majority of fandom, and indeed the public in general has responded positively to a female Master, so I'm confident should we ever get a female Doctor the show will continue on as strongly as it always has. IMO, there has never been a bad actor cast as the Doctor, so I believe the actor chose to play the Doctor will always be one of tremendous talent who is guaranteed to bring something unique and memorable to the role, regardless their gender or ethnicity.
A question for the ages.
I think the exact same thing when similar people blow a gasket at the thought of a black doctor, or when I look back at posters having melt downs over a) Capaldi being older than 40, and b) the various reboot Doctors being shown as anything other than heterosexual (Davies nefarious agenda! Think of the children! Aargh!)
And Tilda Swinton would be awesome.
I want to third that motion. Tilda Swinton would be bloody awesome.
Misogyny? The inability to relate to a character unless he looks JUST FRIGGIN' LIKE ME!!!! Low self esteem and the unwillingness to see a licensed doctor about previously mentioned low self esteem?
Her physical processes have stopped. She's basically completely frozen between heartbeats. She doesn't breathe or have any vital bodily functions. So short of being vaporized by an energy beam or completely burned in fire or something, she can't be harmed.
And even if she gets shot or something, maybe the TARDIS has something inside it that can cosmetically repair any physical injury she'd get. She doesn't have to worry about it killing her.
We don't know that for sure though. Sure physical processes have stopped...but what does that really mean? We know for sure that means no heartbeat and no breathing, and possibly no aging as they were mentioned in the episode itself. You can extrapolate from that and say no eating, no needing water, no going to the bathroom, no sexual arousal..how about pain? Can she still taste? If she eats a meal or has a coffee does it get processed in the body, or just stay in her stomach while it slowly rots. Does she produce body heat? If I stick a knife in her, will it actually penetrate the skin? Will she bleed? will it heal? Will she react at all? The lack of body processes does not stop the physics of burning, or getting stabbed or crushed. Or is she now protected by some time shield because she has to go back to the trap street to die?
Something just occurred to me about Clara's TARDIS. The outside looks like a Diner (chameleon circuit jammed), so the inside of the Diner is inside the TARDIS. Yet the control room is through the back door of the Diner...
So Clara and ME added a "porch"? The porch being the inside of the Diner?
So Clara and ME added a "porch"? The porch being the inside of the Diner?
A large entryway into the control room. Or a waiting room perhaps. I guess that TARDIS decided the best thing to blend in with its environment was the diner across the hill, and Clara just went with it.
Clara (as the Doctor) and Me as the 4 and a half billion year old companion, who is skilled at everything, but wanted adventure, and how can escape the death of the universe via time travel. She can see those things she missed going the long way around as one woman in one place at a time. Me's problem will be retaining her memories over the course of each human lifespan....unless she fixed that problem over the billions of years.
And Clara...well she knows the rules, and more or less when to break them. She also knows she's no Timelord. When she finally gets bored (that'll take a few hundreds of year I imagine), she can go back and die. Me on the other hand....who knows. She'll have to learn how to travel like in a TARDIS and eventually start picking up people like the Doctor does to keep things interesting. She is older than the Doctor now. Probably older than just about anybody really.
Clara (as the Doctor) and Me as the 4 and a half billion year old companion, who is skilled at everything, but wanted adventure, and how can escape the death of the universe via time travel. She can see those things she missed going the long way around as one woman in one place at a time. Me's problem will be retaining her memories over the course of each human lifespan....unless she fixed that problem over the billions of years.
And Clara...well she knows the rules, and more or less when to break them. She also knows she's no Timelord. When she finally gets bored (that'll take a few hundreds of year I imagine), she can go back and die. Me on the other hand....who knows. She'll have to learn how to travel like in a TARDIS and eventually start picking up people like the Doctor does to keep things interesting. She is older than the Doctor now. Probably older than just about anybody really.
I'm sure she can be stabbed...it just won't harm her. The damage would be cosmetic in nature, since the organ functions themselves have stopped, and I guess bloodflow has stopped. It would just be a stab wound.
Then again, the episode did show her shedding tears, but I think we're supposed to overlook that. Unless the tears were made of water that was already there, and once purged won't be made anymore?
It's a weird situation, sure. But I think we're supposed to believe that she's effectively immortal until she goes back to Trap Street and dies.
Quoted for truth.
With a female Doctor it comes down to just one thing. To quote Garth "We fear change." that's all it is. I guarantee if the next Doctor is a woman a good 75% of people up in arms will probably change their tune within the first episode (how many doubters over the child Matt Smith changed their tunes before he'd even got to fishfingers and custard I wonder?)
I'd agree there's never been a bad Doctor, unfortunately some have been better than others but hopefully we'll get a female Tom rather than a female Colin (ducks).
If and when we do kudos has to be given to Moffat for paving the way, and in particular for Michelle Gomez for out Mastering at least half the male actors to have handled the role.
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