Alien 5: An Open Message About Newt, Hicks, and Bishop

[JWPlatt]

Isn't this proposed movie looking less and less likely now that Ridley Scott is supposedly planning a number of sequels to Prometheus, which are also to be viewed as prequels to Alien?

http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/615885-prometheus-sequels#!

No. Haven't you heard? Sequels and shared universes are in. But at 78, maybe Ridley shouldn't waste time achieving his ambitions.

I'll never get the love for those two. They were hardly characters as they were plot devices.

If it's a choice between them and Clemens or Dillon, I'd take Clemens or Dillon.

Are you a parent, ever lost a child, ever feared losing a child, been responsible for the protection of a child, or want to be a parent? Treat the question as rhetorical if necessary.

Newt wasn't Ripley's child. She barely knew Newt. All she was doing was merely projecting her feelings of loss over her REAL daughter onto some random kid she knew for one or two days.

After she died in A3, Ripley realized this.

As far as I'm concerned, you answered my unanswered rhetorical question. And "after she died in A3," we saw the results of the crap writing and production debacle that was A3. Hicks, Newt, Bishop and Ripley were pawns in a bad movie. Whatever the characters realized was worthless.

It was sad that Newt died. It was tragic. Ripley reacts accordingly.

I can understand Ripley's attachment to Hicks and Newt, but I don't understand why the audience would be so attached that they're still upset about it decades later. They died, and I liked the way that Alien3 handled their deaths.

Well, now you have something new to think about. Your lack of comprehension doesn't erase audience criticism.

 

[Ganja Tea]

As someone who's enjoyed all the Alien movies to varying degrees and who liked both Newt and Hicks but wasn't to broken up by their deaths in Alien 3, after reading this thread I kind of hope they do bring them back for Alien 5 and then promptly murder them again in the opening scene.

 

[JWPlatt]

Heh, like an alternate universe correcting itself.

So when the Star Trek TV series comes out, and actually is set in the Prime universe, they should promptly destroy Vulcan again. Fans should learn their lesson: Don't fuck with Hollywood.

 

[Relayer1]

As someone who's enjoyed all the Alien movies to varying degrees and who liked both Newt and Hicks but wasn't to broken up by their deaths in Alien 3, after reading this thread I kind of hope they do bring them back for Alien 5 and then promptly murder them again in the opening scene.

I disagree.

But you're an arse, and I like that...

 

[Samurai8472]

Michael Biehn is actually being more agressive in his language about Alien 3 and 4 than Blomkamp. While Biehn is saying "The basic idea is acting like ALIEN3 and 4 never existed," Blomkamp says "Alien 5 will not undo Alien 3 & Alien: Resurrection." So while I want Biehn's version of reality to be true, I put more stock in Blomkamp's.

Love the thought of Hicks and Newt's return.

Although there's a lot I can't forgive about Alien 3, not least the stupidity of the set-up and premise, I'd not want to see it contradicted. Alien 4 is set so far in the future that it's not greatly affected anyway.

If the movie get's made how do actors do press for it?

"Well we're ignoring 3 and 4 since they were crap"

How do you answer in a professional way?

Like "Superman returns" ignoring 3 and 4.

 

[Relayer1]

If the movie get's made how do actors do press for it?

"Well we're ignoring 3 and 4 since they were crap"

How do you answer in a professional way?

'We've very deliberately gone back to the specific elements of the franchise that made it great.'

Thank you, thank you...I'm here all week !

 

[Timby]

Except Alien3 is great. It's actually my second-favorite of the series after the original.

 

[Anwar]

As far as I'm concerned, you answered my unanswered rhetorical question.

Do get over yourself. Ripley wasn't Newt's mom, Newt wasn't her kid. They were just two people who knew each other for 2 days.

And "after she died in A3," we saw the results of the crap writing and production debacle that was A3. Hicks, Newt, Bishop and Ripley were pawns in a bad movie. Whatever the characters realized was worthless.

No, it means that the writers of A3 realized that Ripley was just projecting onto some random kid she barely knew. Something Cameron didn't realize when he killed off Ripley's actual kid and didn't bother having Ripley mourn her.

 

[Reverend]

It was sad that Newt died. It was tragic. Ripley reacts accordingly.

I can understand Ripley's attachment to Hicks and Newt, but I don't understand why the audience would be so attached that they're still upset about it decades later. They died, and I liked the way that Alien3 handled their deaths.

Speaking as someone who actually really likes Alien 3 more than most: I totally understand why people (myself included) take issue with it.
While I'd agree that the way Ripley deals with their deaths is handled appropriately, I'd temper that by saying that the way in which they were killed off was just flat-out lazy. Both of them were killed off-screen in the first two minutes or so, in a very contrived accident that positively reeked of "we have no idea what to do with these characters". Or for that matter, how to competently link the events of the previous movie, to the frankensteinian monstrosity of a script that slithered out of the lovecraftian hell dimension of madness and ego that was the development period.

...and that's from someone that likes Alien 3.

 

[Relayer1]

If the movie get's made how do actors do press for it?

"Well we're ignoring 3 and 4 since they were crap"

How do you answer in a professional way?

'We've very deliberately gone back to the specific elements of the franchise that made it great.'

Thank you, thank you...I'm here all week !

Except Alien3 is great. It's actually my second-favorite of the series after the original.

You're not trying to sell the new film on a publicity junket.

Besides which, you're wrong

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Except Alien3 is great. It's actually my second-favorite of the series after the original.

QFT. Exactly how I feel.

 

[Timby]

I'd temper that by saying that the way in which they were killed off was just flat-out lazy. Both of them were killed off-screen in the first two minutes or so, in a very contrived accident that positively reeked of "we have no idea what to do with these characters".

I don't know; to me, it works, because a recurring theme of the series (the first three films, anyway), is that death doesn't pass judgment, it simply kills indiscriminately. That's the entire reason the Company wants the giant penis rape monster: Because it's a single-minded, amazingly capable death machine. In order for the themes of Alien3 to work, Hicks and Newt had to die before Ripley was awake, because she needed to be truly alone.

Besides which, you're wrong

"no u" = truly, the most compelling argument in the history of man.

 

[Beagleman]

What Timby said!

 

[JWPlatt]

Except Alien3 is great. It's actually my second-favorite of the series after the original.

It's great like Plan 9 is great.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

That's the entire reason the Company wants the giant penis rape monster: Because it's a single-minded, amazingly capable death machine.

I thought it was because they really didn't know what the fuck it was, otherwise they wouldn't want it becuase the Aliens aren't a very marketable weapon since they work on a fuck over an entire planet forever scale.

Notice how most weapons manufacturers don't seem to go for that sort of thing.

 

[Set Harth]

Frankly, I'd rather see Winona Ryder come back as Call.

This.

 

[JWPlatt]

That's the entire reason the Company wants the giant penis rape monster: Because it's a single-minded, amazingly capable death machine.

I thought it was because they really didn't know what the fuck it was, otherwise they wouldn't want it becuase the Aliens aren't a very marketable weapon since they work on a fuck over an entire planet forever scale...

Yes, and while that makes sense to you and other reasonable people, it's a great, cynical statement about corporate and political greed, stupidity and insanity. These days, it could be something of an allegory for anthropomorphic climate change.

 

[JWPlatt]

Frankly, I'd rather see Winona Ryder come back as Call.

This.

I had the dubious pleasure recently of watching all the Twilight movies. Kristen Stewart, when she was really angry, reminded me of an angry Ripley. Stewart might work as a young Ripley if they wanted to work her and Weaver into the plot. It would be easier than CGI de-aging.

 

[Timby]

Except Alien3 is great. It's actually my second-favorite of the series after the original.

It's great like Plan 9 is great.

One movie tells a compelling story, is relentless with its themes, has some incredible production design, an incredible score and a great cast, and it provides a perfect end for its main character.

The other movie is Plan 9.

 

[Tulin]

Frankly, I'd rather see Winona Ryder come back as Call.

This.

I had the dubious pleasure recently of watching all the Twilight movies. Kristen Stewart, when she was really angry, reminded me of an angry Ripley. Stewart might work as a young Ripley if they wanted to work her and Weaver into the plot. It would be easier than CGI de-aging.

If you thought the fan outrage at a petty Sir Ridley shutting down "Alien 5" due to it potentially over-shadowing his Prom. 2 was huge, cast that charisma vacuum of a plank of wood as a young Ripley and see what happens!