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Spoilers Supergirl - Season 1

And I love how Benoist does that balletic pose with one knee bent when she takes off or lands, something Helen Slater also did as Supergirl (though she did it while flying, and had her arms out to the sides rather than fists-forward like Benoist does). We saw the young Kara doing the same thing with her knee in the flashback in "Livewire."

Agreed. And I also love the way she takes off by bunching up her fists and almost "pushing" herself off the ground in a way.

I didn't like that part. She should've been able to figure out a way to save him too. That's sort of Superman's trademark in the comics, the ability to find a way to save everyone even when it seems impossible, and I'd like to see Kara achieve the same standard.
Eh, it might be a trademark, but that doesn't always make it the best storytelling choice in my opinion. I think it's far more interesting to see superheroes operating in a world of hard choices and who aren't able to magically save the day every. single. time.

And when a character as traditionally wholesome as Superman or Supergirl is confronted with something like that, it's even more interesting to watch.
 
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Eh, it might be a trademark, but that doesn't always make it the best storytelling choice in my opinion. I think it's far more interesting to see superheroes operating in a world of hard choices and who aren't able to magically save the day every. single. time.

Well observed. There's no element of risk if she wins the day every time. She has to fail from time to time to know that she's not invincible. If one looks at the long history of Superman comics--particularly in the 60s - 80s, whether in Action Comics or Justice League of America, Superman did not win or find a way to win every time.
 
Supergirl has perfect hair.

Kara needs conditioner.

Cat is meangirling Kara, Kara greases her hair with filth before assuming the Kara identity, or Cat knows Kara is Supergirl and she's just ####ing with the kid.
 
I didn't like that part. She should've been able to figure out a way to save him too. That's sort of Superman's trademark in the comics, the ability to find a way to save everyone even when it seems impossible, and I'd like to see Kara achieve the same standard.
Eh, it might be a trademark, but that doesn't always make it the best storytelling choice in my opinion. I think it's far more interesting to see superheroes operating in a world of hard choices and who aren't able to magically save the day every. single. time.

And when a character as traditionally wholesome as Superman or Supergirl is confronted with something like that, it's even more interesting to watch.

Sure, if it's plausible and justified that there really is no other choice. That's my issue. I'm not convinced that it was impossible for someone with Kryptonian powers to both stop the train and stop the bomber from blowing himself up. After all, she had a good five or ten seconds after the train stopped -- that should've been plenty of time for someone with superspeed to do something. If the writers have to cheat and pretend there's no solution when there actually is, then the "moral dilemma" doesn't work.

A classic case of this for me is Star Trek: TNG's "The Most Toys." The premise there is to set Data up in a situation where he apparently decides he has no option but to kill the bad guy Fajo. He couldn't restrain Fajo manually because of an anti-android technobabble field being generated by a box on Fajo's belt so that Data couldn't get close enough to touch him, and the only weapon he had was a really nasty disintegrator gun, and we were supposed to accept that the only way Data could save an innocent life was to shoot and kill Fajo, but he was beamed to safety just at the crucial moment, and it was left unclear whether he'd actually pulled the trigger intentionally or not, but it was strongly implied that he had. But I never found that implication credible -- not for any moral or philosophical reason, but simply because I could immediately see a nonlethal option that the writer overlooked. Data could've simply shot the box on Fajo's belt that generated the field, even just grazed it in order to knock it out without hurting Fajo, and then he could've restrained Fajo. I saw that option easily, and Data's enormously smarter than I am, so he must've seen it too. Therefore, the pretense that he was forced into a situation with no nonlethal options failed for me, because there was one (to me) obvious option remaininng.

So that's my problem with "no other way" scenarios like this. Often, if you apply sufficient imagination and lateral thinking to the problem, you can find another way. So if you want to convince me that there really is no other way, you have to rule out all the possibilities, even the non-obvious ones. And I'm not convinced of that here. Supergirl just resigned herself to the assumption that she had to sacrifice him to save the rest. She didn't even try to find a way to save everyone, so I'm not convinced there was no way.
 
Can Supergirl time travel?

By the way, in the 1978 movie, what happened to the other Superman native to an hour in the past?

Sand, and pennies do not have enough mass, and they're reasonably aerodynamic. Air resistance exceeds their ability to continue accelerating as they fall. Terminal velocity for a falling penny is 25 mph. Sand, probably considerably even less than that. In a vacuum there is no air resistance, but that's not likely to happen in the field.

Enough of the Shrapnel from the bomb casing would not free fall to Earth, it would be propelled at a velocity exponentially exceeding it's terminal free fall velocity and laugh at any effort air resistance has to resist this steel rain.
 
I have to say this last episode was the first episode I felt was kinda corny. Don't like the relationship triangle stuff which really dragged the episode down for me. The stuff with the Bombings was ok, even though I wish Lord was more involved and not seemingly on the sidelines. Did enjoy that last converstation though between him and Supergirl.
 
Why is Lord immediately trying to find her secret identity? Comic book trope, sure, but in-universe, thought the point was that no one was trying to find out who Superman was because he didn't wear a mask or hide his face, so he's not really trying to hide? Why's Lord going to this in like the 3rd episode (out of order)?

Works for the audience, fake tensions about the secret and all that, but not sure it makes sense for him to immediately go there in-universe
 
Well that's a bit of a head-scratcher. Apparently they're casting now for a 13 year old Clark for flashback scenes with Kara... even though she only ever knew him as a baby or an adult before...

http://tvline.com/2015/11/24/supergirl-casting-superman-season-1-episode-13-kal-el/

Could be a lot of things - Red Kryptonite or Mr. Mxyzptlk or Legion of Super-Heroes or the Matrix shape-shifter or Bizzaro. It may be clone Superboy, but I would be surprised to see them introduce him so quickly.
 
Why is Lord immediately trying to find her secret identity? Comic book trope, sure, but in-universe, thought the point was that no one was trying to find out who Superman was because he didn't wear a mask or hide his face, so he's not really trying to hide?

Well, that's the idea John Byrne introduced in the '87 reboot. Before that, the efforts of Lois and Jimmy to prove that Clark was Superman were an ongoing theme in the comics for decades, as well as in the '50s TV series.

Besides, it's simple deduction. Supergirl came from Krypton, which was destroyed a long time ago. Superman has been on Earth for a fairly long time. But Supergirl only emerged recently. Therefore, it stands to reason that she's been on Earth in some other guise. (And yes, I know she was in the Phantom Zone and all that, but I'm talking from the perspective of what facts Maxwell Lord would have available to base his deduction on.)
 
Well that's a bit of a head-scratcher. Apparently they're casting now for a 13 year old Clark for flashback scenes with Kara... even though she only ever knew him as a baby or an adult before...

http://tvline.com/2015/11/24/supergirl-casting-superman-season-1-episode-13-kal-el/

Maybe...

Supergirl meets Clark (as Superboy) and the Legion of Super-Heroes?

It's not impossible. Supergirl occasionally worked with the Legion -- and her cousin as a teenager -- a number of times pre-Crisis.
 
Why is Lord immediately trying to find her secret identity? Comic book trope, sure, but in-universe, thought the point was that no one was trying to find out who Superman was because he didn't wear a mask or hide his face, so he's not really trying to hide?

Well, that's the idea John Byrne introduced in the '87 reboot. Before that, the efforts of Lois and Jimmy to prove that Clark was Superman were an ongoing theme in the comics for decades, as well as in the '50s TV series.

Besides, it's simple deduction. Supergirl came from Krypton, which was destroyed a long time ago. Superman has been on Earth for a fairly long time. But Supergirl only emerged recently. Therefore, it stands to reason that she's been on Earth in some other guise. (And yes, I know she was in the Phantom Zone and all that, but I'm talking from the perspective of what facts Maxwell Lord would have available to base his deduction on.)

Thought her interview with Cat squared some of that up, and would have been public record at that point? Didn't mention Phantom Zone as i recall, but didn't she mention that her ship just got here, was damaged, or took the scenic route? thought there was something to that effect.
 
Thought her interview with Cat squared some of that up, and would have been public record at that point? Didn't mention Phantom Zone as i recall, but didn't she mention that her ship just got here, was damaged, or took the scenic route? thought there was something to that effect.

No. When Cat asked why she'd never appeared before now, Supergirl said she'd needed to wait until she was ready. That was about the extent of her answer.
 
A classic case of this for me is Star Trek: TNG's "The Most Toys." The premise there is to set Data up in a situation where he apparently decides he has no option but to kill the bad guy Fajo. He couldn't restrain Fajo manually because of an anti-android technobabble field being generated by a box on Fajo's belt so that Data couldn't get close enough to touch him, and the only weapon he had was a really nasty disintegrator gun, and we were supposed to accept that the only way Data could save an innocent life was to shoot and kill Fajo, but he was beamed to safety just at the crucial moment, and it was left unclear whether he'd actually pulled the trigger intentionally or not, but it was strongly implied that he had.

Well I think the point of that TNG scene was that Data had actually been driven to want to kill Fajo at the end out of anger, and not simply that he had no other option or was trying to save others.

But I do get your point about how Supergirl probably could have found some superspeed solution and deactivated the bomb or ripped the belt off the guy before he had a chance to blink or something. Although to be fair she is still fairly new at this, and I'm not sure we've ever seen her do much at superspeed yet on this show (other than just fly really fast).
 
Well I think the point of that TNG scene was that Data had actually been driven to want to kill Fajo at the end out of anger, and not simply that he had no other option or was trying to save others.

I don't think so, because the producers at that point were pretty firmly in the "Data has no emotions" camp. Besides, if someone of Data's sheer power and intelligence were ever capable of deciding to kill out of anger or revenge, that would make him rather horrendously dangerous, and that's not the direction I think they intended for the character.


But I do get your point about how Supergirl probably could have found some superspeed solution and deactivated the bomb or ripped the belt off the guy before he had a chance to blink or something. Although to be fair she is still fairly new at this, and I'm not sure we've ever seen her do much at superspeed yet on this show (other than just fly really fast).

Granted. And it did seem that she was winded by stopping the train and maybe didn't have the physical resources to go after the bomber at that moment. But as I said, it bugged me that she didn't even seem to try, that she just resigned herself up front to it not being possible.

Like in the first season finale of Lois & Clark --
Lex has had Superman in a kryptonite cage from which he's only just managed to escape, so he's too weak to use his powers when the police chase Luthor to his penthouse and Lex hurls himself off the balcony -- but even though he's in disguise as Clark, watching from the sidewalk with Lois standing right next to him, he still tries to take off and save Luthor, but just can't. Even with the circumstances so completely stacked against him, even though it would mean exposing his identity if he could've done it, even with the endangered life being his own worst enemy who'd just imprisoned, tortured, and tried to kill him, Clark still tried to save him. And that is what defines Superman. I'd like it to define Supergirl too.
 
Well I think the expression on Data's face as he aimed the weapon made it pretty clear that he was pretty angry. And of course that was what made his "I feel nothing. I am only an android" line at the end so powerful, because it was clear that it was not the entire truth.

The producers may not have wanted Data outwardly expressing emotions anymore, but Spiner and the writers still found many subtle ways to show that he still had them.
 
A classic case of this for me is Star Trek: TNG's "The Most Toys." The premise there is to set Data up in a situation where he apparently decides he has no option but to kill the bad guy Fajo. He couldn't restrain Fajo manually because of an anti-android technobabble field being generated by a box on Fajo's belt so that Data couldn't get close enough to touch him, and the only weapon he had was a really nasty disintegrator gun, and we were supposed to accept that the only way Data could save an innocent life was to shoot and kill Fajo, but he was beamed to safety just at the crucial moment, and it was left unclear whether he'd actually pulled the trigger intentionally or not, but it was strongly implied that he had.

Well I think the point of that TNG scene was that Data had actually been driven to want to kill Fajo at the end out of anger, and not simply that he had no other option or was trying to save others.

But I do get your point about how Supergirl probably could have found some superspeed solution and deactivated the bomb or ripped the belt off the guy before he had a chance to blink or something. Although to be fair she is still fairly new at this, and I'm not sure we've ever seen her do much at superspeed yet on this show (other than just fly really fast).

In this week's episode, Supergirl landed in the bushes by the school and emerged a second later fully-dressed as Kara. That's pretty super-speedy.
 
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