I am so used to seeing him playing Pavel Chekov I did not at first recognize him in ‘Nobility’. He also has lost the Russian accent!
https://youtu.be/8vvyFbTxm7Y
Star Trek: CAPTAIN PIKE
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I am so used to seeing him playing Pavel Chekov I did not at first recognize him in ‘Nobility’. He also has lost the Russian accent!
https://youtu.be/8vvyFbTxm7Y
I might be a little dumb but I couldn't follow the trailer. So Sobol is on the Lexington? and they wanted him to stand down from firing on the enemy ship? or was he firing on the enterprise to save the enemy ship. Was Sobol saying Pike is the enemy? But pike wanted to fire on the enemy ship? Was Pike starting a war by firing on Sobol or the enemy ship?
It looks like the alien ship (The Wasp) attacks the Enterprise. Admiral Sobol onboard the Lexington is for some reason perceiving Captain Pike to be an enemy and attacks the Enterprise. It is not clear if the Lexington is assisting the aliens or trying to prevent Pike from starting a war with the aliens. 
Yeah, it really does seem to be the biggest takeaway from Trek for a lot of fans. Drama = Pew! Pew! Pew!
I get zero feel from this. All I get is a yawning, "meh."
But it's made post millennium so it's "EXTREME PEW!: TOTAL PEWSOME"
But it's about Pike, so it loses 1/2 of that "meh".
But it's got Koenig, so gets a "whaaaaaaat?"
Real TOS plots and characterizations. They never call, they never write...
This a reoccurring problem with many of these fan films. That the main producer or director casts themselves as the lead character.
Even if they have little acting experience or don't look anything like the original actor.
I understand its an exercise in wish fulfillment. If it was being made for your own private enjoyment and your friends and family. Fine. No harm. But when you are looking for donations its screams of ego.
Enough money has been raised to support enough fan egos at this point that I'm not sure that means much.
While my own favorites include many of the less highly produced fan productions (Intrepid is what got me into this; England's Star Trek Unity is what got me hooked; George Kayaian's work got me feeling personally involved; and there's not a high-budget production among them), lots of people do watch these "screams of ego." (That's not to claim I don't watch and enjoy NV/Phase II, OGAM& their more recent Renegades, Secret Voyage, Continues, ... and eventually Axanar and who knows what else...) There's a lot of ego in everything. And some people find other people's big egos attractive. Case in point: Donald Trump is leading the Republican field for POTUS. It's not based on his war record or his ability to work with legislatures for results.
What you said, and more. I'm glad someone is tenacious enough to make these- and there are a good number of people that get all kinds of work/experience and IMDB credit for participating.
That said- if you're going to do it- then do it right. Axanar is top notch in nearly every respect- except the lead.
I have a trouble with Axanar on another front: Garth is a death bomb making monster. I know- he was ill- he wasn't only what we'd seen in Whom Gods Destroy- and so forth. But the concept of a "prequel before the madness" is just so tough for me to get past. Has anything like this been done before? Did Kirk care how much positive work the "Anton Coridian" persona had done before he was forced by circumstances to be Kodos the Executioner?
Humph.
Sorry to have hijacked the Pike thread.
I agree entirely. Part of the issue for me with Axanar has more to do with the fact that I just don't know that I could accept that after all Garth did, that he could possibly be redeemed. He outright murdered Marta and we saw it happen. Obviously we don't know what the plan is for the Axanar script or film so I'm hesitant to make any conclusive assumptions, but they've got a tall order to fill here. I am hopeful that they have found a way to tell a good story without compromising the reality of the situation concerning Garth and his previous actions.
Axanar plays BEFORE Garth went mad. He could be a completely different person. Mental illness can wreck havoc of a man. He must have been once a great man, otherwise they would not teach about him at the academy. Even today people are not necessarily are held accountable for actions they did while being mentally ill, so why should this be any different in the future. But it will be interesting if the Axanar script hints on his looming illness in some way.
Yeah. I get that. I'm all for the idea of redemption (and in this case- pre-demption?)
Keep in Mind that Season 3 Kirk was age 38/39 right? So he would have been at the Academy some ~ 18-22 years before. More than likely before Garth turned on the good folks of Antos IV.
The issue to me is simply that Steve Inhat was just so good at being the big bad- that's where he ("Lord Garth")is in my head- despite the last scene. You can see those bite marks in the scenery.
The point I was ham handedly attempting to make, was- What a tough job it would be for any prequel to pre-deem a character:
For example- "Better Call Saul" vis a vis "Breaking Bad" - Saul was never a "bad" guy per se. Just a fella that appeared to have fallen between the legal cracks and was sneaking by- We didn't see him go all blow-uppy and stuff.
In any case- it's a tall order, dramatically. Lucas tried it with the Vader character. Once Anakin went all sithy and mass murdered the younglings- then nothing was gonna get me on his side- past, present or future version(s). No redemption, no pre-demption.
Aha! But, could a better actor than Hayden Christensen possibly have pulled off such a feat?
Maybe.
To redeem (or pre- deem) you gotta care about the character.
Now we're back to the Alec Peters problem again.
Okay back to Pike- An idea which is slowly growing on me.
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Garth only went mad in TOS because of what aliens did to him. So I don't think he had any sort of mental illness before that occurred. He simply went mad because of what they did to him, which re-wired his mind.
In regards to CAPTAIN PIKE, I haven't really formed an opinion on the film yet, as I haven't seen that much from it. I'm not a big fan of stunt casting (established Trek actors playing new parts), which is one thing this film seems to be doing a lot of. Walter Koening playing a character in Star Trek who isn't Chekov is just weird to me. I think it would have been better if Walter was working behind the scenes, as the Director or as a producer.
I suspect that a lump of wood would have done a better performance than Hayden Christenson.
Maybe I'm alone, but I prefer pew pew pew to the oh so common alternative of "I'm not worthy of command." At least with the first I get to watch flashing lights rather than somebody sitting around moping.
I wish every group well in their production, even those I don't enjoy watching.
Anybody know what it happening with this production, it seems to have faded into the background. Is it still on track.
Was wondering that myself. But then these things almost always turn out to be harder to drag to the finish line than the people making them think they'll be.
Wow... I feel like I've been in suspended animation and just woke up. The production quality and acting talent appearing in these fan fiction episodes is stunning, really impressive. And it's just mind blowing how some actors from commercial productions are showing up too!
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