Spoilers Supergirl - Season 1

[Admiral2]

Perhaps because I didn't do a side-by-side frame-by-frame comparison?

Neither did I. I just have good eyesight and a decent memory, which both screamed "stock footage" when they saw it.

So, would you like a cookie?

It's not like I didn't acknowledge they could have easily been the same shot, you know. Ditto for Commander Richard.

The difference is between acknowledging the possibility of the blindingly obvious without confirming it - cause, y'know, somebody might be offended at the notion of stock footage or something - or simply pointing out the blindingly obvious.

I default to simply pointing out the blindingly obvious, cause, y'know, it was blindingly obvious it was stock footage.

But hey, I commend your acknowledgment of the possibility.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Neither did I. I just have good eyesight and a decent memory, which both screamed "stock footage" when they saw it.

So, would you like a cookie?

It's not like I didn't acknowledge they could have easily been the same shot, you know. Ditto for Commander Richard.

The difference is between acknowledging the possibility of the blindingly obvious without confirming it - cause, y'know, somebody might be offended at the notion of stock footage or something - or simply pointing out the blindingly obvious.

I default to simply pointing out the blindingly obvious, cause, y'know, it was blindingly obvious it was stock footage.

But hey, I commend your acknowledgment of the possibility.

Oh, please. This is so ridiculous. I did not confirm it, because I simply did not confirm it. Did I mention how ridiculous this is?

 

[matthunter]

So, would you like a cookie?

It's not like I didn't acknowledge they could have easily been the same shot, you know. Ditto for Commander Richard.

The difference is between acknowledging the possibility of the blindingly obvious without confirming it - cause, y'know, somebody might be offended at the notion of stock footage or something - or simply pointing out the blindingly obvious.

I default to simply pointing out the blindingly obvious, cause, y'know, it was blindingly obvious it was stock footage.

But hey, I commend your acknowledgment of the possibility.

Oh, please. This is so ridiculous. I did not confirm it, because I simply did not confirm it. Did I mention how ridiculous this is?

You didn't have to. It was blindingly obvious.

 

[JD]

Does anybody know what the DVR and streaming numbers are for Supergirl? I have to wonder how many of the people who aren't watching it live are now streaming or DVRing it.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Seriously, how is this show the best depiction/use of Superman since, maybe, Lois and Clark and we've barely even seen him?

Its not.

The text-conversation between him Kara was the most "human" depiction of Clark we've seen in any of his movies this century and, hell, maybe even including the Donner/1980s films.

I disagree with that; the Donner films often explored his attempt to merge his adopted humanity with his alien self.

Anyway, really enjoying the series but still not really digging this take on Cat Grant.

Hey remember, being obnoxious is the new "empowering" character trait in many TV/movie characters.

 

[davejames]

Does anybody know what the DVR and streaming numbers are for Supergirl? I have to wonder how many of the people who aren't watching it live are now streaming or DVRing it.

Yeah I've been looking everywhere for that info, but it's kinda hard to come by. I did find that the rating for the second episode jumped from a 2.2 to 2.95 in Live+3, but I haven't been able to find the Live+7 numbers anywhere (except of course for the pilot, which was kind of an anomaly), or how much the audience grew by.

Those numbers just don't seem to get released as consistently as the other ones do, or maybe it's only the network that gets to see most of them.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

looking at the ratings drop:

http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/ratings-supergirl-the-voice-blindspot-1201637321/

...unless something spectacular happens on the show (possibly another costumed DC hero not named Superman dropping in), I do not see this series surviving.

Maybe if this does not work out, WB can hand wave the existence of this series and graduate Supergirl (and maybe her sister & James) to occasional appearances in this new wave of DC movies.

 

[davejames]

Yeah as much as I love the show, I'm just not sure it's strong enough to go up against the likes of the Voice, Dancing with the Stars, Monday Night Football, and Blindspot every Monday.

Part of me wishes they would move it to another night, but usually that just means the network is losing faith and it's the beginning of the end for the show.

 

[DigificWriter]

looking at the ratings drop:

http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/ratings-supergirl-the-voice-blindspot-1201637321/

...unless something spectacular happens on the show (possibly another costumed DC hero not named Superman dropping in), I do not see this series surviving.

You're worrying about things far too prematurely, and without any real reason to:
http://supergirl.tv/supergirl-sure-bet-for-renewal

 

[Christopher]

Yeah as much as I love the show, I'm just not sure it's strong enough to go up against the likes of the Voice, Dancing with the Stars, Monday Night Football, and Blindspot every Monday.

It airs two hours before Blindspot. The only other big-network scripted drama it's competing with is Gotham, and it's easily surpassing it in the ratings.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

However, there's no denying the ratings drop. As the series nears its first month with episode 4, if that week takes another drop, it will become apparent that competition does not matter as much as the content--or problems with the Supergirl series.

 

[theenglish]

However, there's no denying the ratings drop. As the series nears its first month with episode 4, if that week takes another drop, it will become apparent that competition does not matter as much as the content--or problems with the Supergirl series.

Why do you assume this? I think the series is fine and similar to Flash and Arrow which have become successes.

I think the greater problem would be the network the show is on--also, its only other show that is geared toward a similar audience should have been the lead in for longer than Supergirl's introduction--CBS also doesn't post its shows on Hulu.

 

[Christopher]

However, there's no denying the ratings drop.

The drop exists, but you're misinterpreting it. As explained in the article DigificWriter linked to, the pilot got such exceptionally high ratings that it was inevitable there would be a dropoff afterward. It's nothing the network didn't expect, and Supergirl is still getting higher ratings than superhero shows on other networks. It's doing fine.

This is why you have to be careful with statistics, and why it's so easy to twist them to fit a desired (or feared) narrative. The numbers by themselves are meaningless unless you put them in the proper context. A drop from exceptionally high to very good can be the same size as a drop from very good to mediocre, but they're totally different in what they mean.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

I don't know how to interpret ratings well. I see Supergirl has twice the viewers of Gotham but they seem about equal in ratings for the "demo".

 

[USS Triumphant]

They need to take it out of the same slot with Gotham (or better yet, get Gotham to move to 9PM). I watch both, and I think a lot of the folks that watch one would watch both, but they're not doing either any favors in the ratings as it is.

Right now, I'm watching Supergirl and DVR'ing Gotham to watch right after, because I figure Supergirl is the new show and needs the ratings to get well established. But I don't know if watching from the DVR counts for ratings, and even if it does there are almost certainly people who are missing one or the other altogether because they forget/don't bother to record. And the way things are shaping up, if I can only give a ratings count to one or the other, I'm going back to Gotham.

 

[Jax]

I don't know how to interpret ratings well. I see Supergirl has twice the viewers of Gotham but they seem about equal in ratings for the "demo".

The problem with judging ratings these days is TV has seen so much erosion in this decade from audience levels that you never really know what networks are willing to put up with it. I do think Supergirl vs. Gotham hurts both shows but both could be renewed for different reasons. I'd put Supergirl at 50/50 for now because I expect further drops. I wish more shows in this genre followed the Daredevil model and went through Netflix as the old network model looks more out of date by each passing year.

 

[davejames]

They need to take it out of the same slot with Gotham (or better yet, get Gotham to move to 9PM). I watch both, and I think a lot of the folks that watch one would watch both, but they're not doing either any favors in the ratings as it is.

Right now, I'm watching Supergirl and DVR'ing Gotham to watch right after, because I figure Supergirl is the new show and needs the ratings to get well established. But I don't know if watching from the DVR counts for ratings, and even if it does there are almost certainly people who are missing one or the other altogether because they forget/don't bother to record. And the way things are shaping up, if I can only give a ratings count to one or the other, I'm going back to Gotham.

Well ultimately I believe you still have to be a "Nielson family" that was given a special box or meter that measures all of your viewing habits. Without that, you're free to watch the shows in whatever manner you want.

 

[Starscream2112]

I find Supergirl kinda boring. I will give it a few more weeks and see if it clicks with me. If not I will stick with Gotham which I fine more entertaining.

 

[Guy Gardener]

They need to take it out of the same slot with Gotham (or better yet, get Gotham to move to 9PM). I watch both, and I think a lot of the folks that watch one would watch both, but they're not doing either any favors in the ratings as it is.

Right now, I'm watching Supergirl and DVR'ing Gotham to watch right after, because I figure Supergirl is the new show and needs the ratings to get well established. But I don't know if watching from the DVR counts for ratings, and even if it does there are almost certainly people who are missing one or the other altogether because they forget/don't bother to record. And the way things are shaping up, if I can only give a ratings count to one or the other, I'm going back to Gotham.

Are you a Nielsen Family?

No?

Then your viewing patterns don't count for shit.

(There were 6,200 Nielsen Families in 2014.)

Rather than asking you, like a person, what you watched on TV last night (that's what your cable box does. It's always watching and listening. Stop doing it in front of the TV.), they use mathematics and sample representation to guess what you've specifically been watching, and what a million people eerily identical to you have been watching, because there are a million other "youes" out there who think and feel and react exactly like you do.



Watching on the DVDR does count for Ratings.

But not "pure/original ratings"

There's a second count that includes anyone who watched "X" on the DVDR within the first 3 days of the original airdate.

Then they squash the original ratings in against the 3 days ratings and pretend like that new larger number is meaningful.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

About ratings, the Variety link states:

“Supergirl” was down 23% (0.5) week to week

This is more than the fact its down from the pilot ratings. Each new week sees an additional drop. There's no narrative in that, but a pattern. If the series is not stabilizing (i.e. finding its audience footing), something is going on.

The series is okay, some of the leads are appealing, but it could be much more, otherwise there would not be so many differing, almost oil and water level of opinions.

On that related note, some need to remember the glaring difference between Supergirl, and Arrow or the Flash, is that the Superman "family" brand remains the ultimate, most visible superhero brand in the world, arguably shared with Batman. That brand also carries with it the greatest expectations for more colorful super heroics than any other TV comic character.

That is an enormous mountain to climb, and no one should underestimate how viewers--whether knowledgeable comic book fans, or those with a general, cultural awareness of superheroes--have natural, larger expectations from a Super--anyone.

I hope the plots do lead to something so special that viewers are barely able to wait for the next Monday, but Variety's report was not ambiguous, no matter how much some want to brush the ratings matter aside.