Trek Returning to TV in 2017!
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It is awesome when people make up their minds before page one of the series bible is written.
It is awesome when people make up their minds before page one of the series bible is written.
I'd love to be proven wrong, but I won't. I already know it.
They did a terrible (i.e. non-existent) job of explaining the lack of progress between Kirk's time and Janeway's time. Just awful. You can't just improve the sets and call it progress. Star Trek was on the verge of becoming a comedy about mankind's lack of advancement with each passing decade.
Was not looking forward to seeing the Enterprise-H was no more technologically advanced than the Enterprise-E.
Was not looking forward to seeing the Enterprise-H was no more technologically advanced than the Enterprise-E.
That's a good point! I don't really think of superhero stuff as scifi, but I can see why others would for sure. What about a space show then? Firefly? Space Above and Beyond? X-Files?
CBS having Supergirl is kind of an anomaly. It really should be on CW with the Arrow and Flash, but these things happen.
It is awesome when people make up their minds before page one of the series bible is written.
I'd love to be proven wrong, but I won't. I already know it.
We don't even know who the writers will be or what the premise is. Your optimism is inspiring.
It is awesome when people make up their minds before page one of the series bible is written.
I'd love to be proven wrong, but I won't. I already know it.
We don't even know who the writers will be or what the premise is. Your optimism is inspiring.
It's CBS, I have zero confidence in those people. Though streaming it instead of leaving it to rot on Network TV is a step in the right direction.
I find this news very exciting and I very much look forward to it. I find that in general, I'm not as entertained by movies these days as I am by TV. The last several movies I've seen, even though some were highly praised, just didn't really float my boat. But there are several TV shows that I currently watch and greatly enjoy.
No matter what, I will watch this. I don't care if I have to buy some service to do it. I do have reservations about that though. Someone way upthread wrote, "Sounds like the 'Star Trek Brand' is being 'used' just to launch this new UPN network." And that didn't really work out for UPN. Here's hoping this CBS service that barely anybody has heard about won't suffer the same fate and that we at least get several seasons of solid episodes.
And now I'm going to take the time to be glad that so many of the poopooers of a new series are now wrong. The whole lines of, "CBS makes money without having to do anything, why would they make a new series?" or "All the buzz these days is police procedurals that don't cost as much, so why take the risk of a sci-fi series?" or "There's already X number of hours of existing Star Trek, why the need for anything more?" I'm glad those statements can now be put to rest.
No matter what, I will watch this. I don't care if I have to buy some service to do it. I do have reservations about that though. Someone way upthread wrote, "Sounds like the 'Star Trek Brand' is being 'used' just to launch this new UPN network." And that didn't really work out for UPN. Here's hoping this CBS service that barely anybody has heard about won't suffer the same fate and that we at least get several seasons of solid episodes.
And now I'm going to take the time to be glad that so many of the poopooers of a new series are now wrong. The whole lines of, "CBS makes money without having to do anything, why would they make a new series?" or "All the buzz these days is police procedurals that don't cost as much, so why take the risk of a sci-fi series?" or "There's already X number of hours of existing Star Trek, why the need for anything more?" I'm glad those statements can now be put to rest.
Here is one reason I think it might be in the prime-timeline:
The release date.
It's 2017.
It would be much smarter to bring out a new series in 2016, for it's 50th anniversary. So why put it in 2017? I got the sense the reboot was originally planed as an entire new continuity, with new shows set in it and all of it. 2016 is the third installement of the reboot movies in cinema. There was probably a contract, that if they were to produce a new series in the timeframe of the 3 abrams movies, bad robot needed to be involved. Instead. A 4th movie is already announced, but as you saw, all contracts needed to be re-negotiated (that's why it was announced so ig that Pine and Quinto would appear in the new movies). It's likely CBS will wait until 2017 to be allowed to make the series without bad robot, but put it as soon as possible (january) for general audiences to still rember the big anniversary.
Other thoughts:
- Seriously, bad robot is not involved. Which means, JJ abrams is not involved. And those are the guys that have the rights to the JJverse
- There are practical reasons to put it in the new timeline, namely:
i) the JJverse spaceships are much to big. They need giant sets, and props (like shuttles/torpedoes) are enormeous. The old continuity is much more television-conform
ii) Kurtzman seems to be the only one involved from the JJ-crew. And he's the guy already working for CBS. So for CBS it would be a smart move to put him in charge of a new series, that would look and feel like the reboot, without being officially part of it and the need to negotiate with Paramount over license fees
iii) There's a fourth movie planned. Which means a new television series would need to be heavily synchronized with the movie staff, to not contradict themselves. If it's all under one parent company (like Marvel over different mediums) it would be possibly. But the series is produced by Kurtzmann's own production company. The only alternative would be to put the series in the JJverse in tha past (which would be a prequel, unlikely), or in the far future a la TNG. And then there would be no benefit to put it in the same continuity and be heavily bound by events of upcoming movies
iv) The JJverse offers nothing new: warp drive, shields, beaming, klingons, vulcans, phaser are the same in both continuitys. The only addition of the JJverse canon-wise are stupid things like "transwarp-beaming"
v) The JJverse is not long-time sustainable. It's basis are Kirk and Spock. Maybe after the 4th there's a 5th movie. But after that, they need to either re-cast or re-boot again (because they will NEVER EVER make a summer blockbuster with a new crew originally from television). So why set it in the new verse when nobody know how it will end, and you have all creative freedom to go on in the old?
So, all in all:
I hope it's not set in the JJverse. What will happen instead?
It will look like it's set in the JJverse. In the first few seasons, they will probably leave all possibilities open. It will be set on new worlds, and neither Vulcan nor Romulus will be mentioned specifically. That means: It won't be a sequel to the TNG-timeline either. No mentioning of the Dominion War and stuff apart from side remarks. Although it is possible to have guest appereances by old actors, like Patrick Steward or Jery Ryan. But don't expect them until the series stands firmly on it's own foot.
All in all: Probably, hopefully, set in the prime timeline. But it will resemble the prime-timeline as much as TNG resembled TOS.
The release date.
It's 2017.
It would be much smarter to bring out a new series in 2016, for it's 50th anniversary. So why put it in 2017? I got the sense the reboot was originally planed as an entire new continuity, with new shows set in it and all of it. 2016 is the third installement of the reboot movies in cinema. There was probably a contract, that if they were to produce a new series in the timeframe of the 3 abrams movies, bad robot needed to be involved. Instead. A 4th movie is already announced, but as you saw, all contracts needed to be re-negotiated (that's why it was announced so ig that Pine and Quinto would appear in the new movies). It's likely CBS will wait until 2017 to be allowed to make the series without bad robot, but put it as soon as possible (january) for general audiences to still rember the big anniversary.
Other thoughts:
- Seriously, bad robot is not involved. Which means, JJ abrams is not involved. And those are the guys that have the rights to the JJverse
- There are practical reasons to put it in the new timeline, namely:
i) the JJverse spaceships are much to big. They need giant sets, and props (like shuttles/torpedoes) are enormeous. The old continuity is much more television-conform
ii) Kurtzman seems to be the only one involved from the JJ-crew. And he's the guy already working for CBS. So for CBS it would be a smart move to put him in charge of a new series, that would look and feel like the reboot, without being officially part of it and the need to negotiate with Paramount over license fees
iii) There's a fourth movie planned. Which means a new television series would need to be heavily synchronized with the movie staff, to not contradict themselves. If it's all under one parent company (like Marvel over different mediums) it would be possibly. But the series is produced by Kurtzmann's own production company. The only alternative would be to put the series in the JJverse in tha past (which would be a prequel, unlikely), or in the far future a la TNG. And then there would be no benefit to put it in the same continuity and be heavily bound by events of upcoming movies
iv) The JJverse offers nothing new: warp drive, shields, beaming, klingons, vulcans, phaser are the same in both continuitys. The only addition of the JJverse canon-wise are stupid things like "transwarp-beaming"
v) The JJverse is not long-time sustainable. It's basis are Kirk and Spock. Maybe after the 4th there's a 5th movie. But after that, they need to either re-cast or re-boot again (because they will NEVER EVER make a summer blockbuster with a new crew originally from television). So why set it in the new verse when nobody know how it will end, and you have all creative freedom to go on in the old?
So, all in all:
I hope it's not set in the JJverse. What will happen instead?
It will look like it's set in the JJverse. In the first few seasons, they will probably leave all possibilities open. It will be set on new worlds, and neither Vulcan nor Romulus will be mentioned specifically. That means: It won't be a sequel to the TNG-timeline either. No mentioning of the Dominion War and stuff apart from side remarks. Although it is possible to have guest appereances by old actors, like Patrick Steward or Jery Ryan. But don't expect them until the series stands firmly on it's own foot.
All in all: Probably, hopefully, set in the prime timeline. But it will resemble the prime-timeline as much as TNG resembled TOS.
Erm what? Stuff like site-to-site transporting was rare on TNG, and practically common-place on Voyager, as well as beaming of shuttlecraft. TOS had numerous episodes devoted to transporter malfunctions. Warp drive and slipstream drive were considerably more advanced, as were sensors and replicators. From TNG-Voyager we saw plenty of technological progress.
It is awesome when people make up their minds before page one of the series bible is written.
Hey, the internet has the God-given right to pass judgment on the show based on a vague press release!
I think that's in the Constitution somewhere . . .
Hey, the internet has the God-given right to pass judgment on the show based on a vague press release!
I think that's in the Constitution somewhere . . .
With all of the talk over the last few years of CBS wanting to have a new Star Trek series on the air, (and not a peep about Paramount wanting to do a TV series). Then Michael Gummelt is called to Paramount for a pitch meeting in mid-August, then 10 weeks later CBS announces the new series.........
Either there will be a CBS-Paramount corporation with the series, or the pitch/development meetings were at Kurtzman's studio office -Just plain easy logistics, and Paramount is just facilitating the early meetings.
I've heard of people approaching CBS about a series, but not CBS wanting one. Is Gummelt the guy who owned the Star Trek Beyond web site? That's probably why he got a meeting at Paramount.
SG-1 was on for 10 years. It makes me wonder how long people expect things to last.
Not really - that's all window dressing - its still a guy with a radio, a pistol rocking from side to side in an arm-chair on a ocean going liner. Trek went off into its own side-road a while and hasn't really taken more account of contemporary sci-fi or even reflected contemporary society in a while. For example, all that stuff about warp drive is just fluff - Transwarp drive, Quantum torpedoes - they don't mean anything or represent meaningful progress of concepts in any way.
If you were trying to do something new with Trek, you'd have to alter its nature and introduce things like posthumanism, transhumanism, even how social media usage has changed society etc.
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