Anybody Else Find The Kirk/Spock/Mccoy Scenes In TFF Fantastic?

[Elder Knight]

Interesting. An earlier discussion raised the question of whether these men had families, in the usual sense of the word

I had always interpreted that final scene's quote as Kirk stating that he'd lost his biological brother, but that Spock had filled that void, had become a replacement brother to him.

In fact, I thought this dialogue was slighting McCoy: I'd have had Kirk say "I was lucky. I got him back. Twice."

 

[Spock's Barber]

I thought TFF was good, and the interplay between Kirk, Spock and McCoy was interesting. Too bad that the studio pulled the plug on the special effects budget for the concluding scenes though.

 

[Shark]

On that score, I kind of wished they'd added the "Rockman" into the final film. I don't think it looked too bad when properly lit, and their triumph over "God" was a bit too easy and a bit un-Trek like. I think it would've been more cinematic to have Kirk face the Rock-monster(s) and have the God-entity attack the Enterprise.

One thing I find amusing is that Kirk is ordered to "Avoid conflict, if possible" and he does nothing but generate conflict with his attack upon Paradise city, thereby jeopardizing the safety of the Representatives.

 

[Spock's Barber]

On that score, I kind of wished they'd added the "Rockman" into the final film. I don't think it looked too bad when properly lit, and their triumph over "God" was a bit too easy and a bit un-Trek like.

Yes, anything would have helped the ending. I, too, was perplexed on how easily 'God' bit the dust. What a wimp.

BTW, are there any screen caps of the Rockmen' that you know of?

 

[Shark]

On that score, I kind of wished they'd added the "Rockman" into the final film. I don't think it looked too bad when properly lit, and their triumph over "God" was a bit too easy and a bit un-Trek like.

Yes, anything would have helped the ending. I, too, was perplexed on how easily 'God' bit the dust. What a wimp.

BTW, are there any screen caps of the Rockmen' that you know of?

Yes, right here: http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=244

You can also see the all the "Rockman" footage on the "Collectors edition" DVD of Star Trek V.

And just for fun, "Hair metal band" Sybok:

 

[Spock's Barber]

^Thanks, Shark. The producers spent all that money to build and film the Rockmen. I don't understand why they edited the footage out of the released movie. Bizarre.

 

[Shark]

You're welcome. Apparently, to them, it looked "awful". Also, it lacked flame-throwing capability, which would have erupted from the mouth. I am curious though how a regular Human is supposed to 'beat' a flame-throwing creature made entirely of rock. But it would have been fun and added to the Hell-like atmosphere they wanted.

 

[eyeresist]

^Thanks, Shark. The producers spent all that money to build and film the Rockmen. I don't understand why they edited the footage out of the released movie. Bizarre.

It's just test footage, and was never in the movie.

 

[Marsden]

You're welcome. Apparently, to them, it looked "awful". Also, it lacked flame-throwing capability, which would have erupted from the mouth. I am curious though how a regular Human is supposed to 'beat' a flame-throwing creature made entirely of rock. But it would have been fun and added to the Hell-like atmosphere they wanted.

Maybe he could have fashioned a crude cannon from things in the environment. If could use a lathe....

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

It seems a lot of people get fired up about the "brother" comment and think that it completely ignores Kirk's brother Sam.

I for one never gave it a second thought. Kirk said "I lost A brother once," and went on to be clear that he was talking about Spock. He did not say "I lost MY brother once" which would have implied something completely different.

Same here. The line was written in a very clear way to say "A brother" meant he was referring to the one he recently lost--not that Spock was the only one / Sam never existed.

I think it's just another nit-pick area people who already don't like the movie like to poke at.

Agreed. Their biggest issue is that its a ST film not playing from the Bill Nye view of life, despite the fact that subjects of this kind were always a part of ST up to that time.

 

[Spock's Barber]

^Thanks, Shark. The producers spent all that money to build and film the Rockmen. I don't understand why they edited the footage out of the released movie. Bizarre.

It's just test footage, and was never in the movie.

I may be mistaken, but I thought Shatner said in ST:Movie Memories that the studio made his editors cut the Rockman scenes in order to make the movie length closer to 2 hours.

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

Honestly, althought Final Frontier is a mostly garbage movie, the scenes between Kirk, Spock and Bones are wonderful to me. They not only hearkens back to the original series, they progress the characters voices so perfectly from TOS that it seems like they were written by the exact same person or persons at a later time in their own life. Kirk is far more reflective, but still a cowboy. Spock is attempting to be as logical as ever, but you can tell he's mellowed. Bones is Bones and will always be Bones. He was born an old man

Anybody else agree?

I love it too. TFF is a entertaining, but legendary flawed movie. I really like the Kirk, Spock & McCoy scenes. They make me smile everytime.

 

[arch101]

I admit I thought of Sam when he said that, but let's take a moment and look at when each event happened.


Sam died about 25+ years before this, Spock had died and was "reborn" about 5 years ago. I'm not saying that Jim had forgot about Sam, but he had passed much longer ago than what happened to Mr. Spock.

From the moment I saw that scene, I knew he meant Spock when he said brother. It's what makes the scene so good. It shows what these 3 men meant to each other.

See- maybe it's because I'm old and remember the time before there was a movie series, but I always assumed Kirk's comment referred to Sam.

 

[Newspaper Taxi]

I think Final Frontier could have been the ultimate Star Trek movie with some tweaking; it's a shame the film can't get a do-over. The main trio were at their best and the Search for God/ finding spiritual mental peace is the kind of thematic target Star Trek should strive for. But instead you get parts of brilliance and parts where Scotty hits his head and passes out.

 

[martok2112]

I think Final Frontier could have been the ultimate Star Trek movie with some tweaking; it's a shame the film can't get a do-over. The main trio were at their best and the Search for God/ finding spiritual mental peace is the kind of thematic target Star Trek should strive for. But instead you get parts of brilliance and parts where Scotty hits his head and passes out.

bolded: Which was one thing that the late James Doohan blasted Shatner about. As far as Doohan was concerned, it didn't matter if it was a new ship or not, engineering was Scotty's domain, and Scotty would never do something so stupid and clumsy as to bump his forehead into an overhead piece.

That aside, when I first saw ST V, I loved the hell out of it. When I saw parts of it again, from the back of a station wagon at a drive in while we were actually watching Tim Burton's Batman, I could see some of the visual flaws in the movie (without the wowed fan goggles on...back when I actually was a fan of anything). When I got it on VHS (as soon as I could get a used copy that had done its rental runs), the flaws became even more apparent.

But that still doesn't stop it from being an enjoyable movie. Yeah, while the humor may have been a bit forced (trying to cash in on the success of the humor that permeated the previous film), and while the vfx were subpar compared to other Trek films, the dramatic part of the story was some of the finest for Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. The scene in the rec deck, where Spock and McCoy relieve the pains of their past was beautifully done. Kirk's reaction....classic Kirk in the finest tradition. Even the scene where Spock explains Sybok's existence was wonderful.

It's not a movie I watch as often as others, but when I do watch it, I don't feel any pit in my stomach over it.

 

[RAMA]

Horrible horrible. Let us forget those scenes. Even the acting wasn't good.

 

[eyeresist]

But instead you get parts of brilliance and parts where Scotty hits his head and passes out.

To be fair, he was spectacularly drunk at the time.

 

[NigellaDeanna20]

Yes, completely. I actually like Final Frontier, and the scenes and chemistry between the triad are the entire reason why. The whole Brig/Breakout sequence on the Enterprise is just pure gold because of those three.

Yes indeed. Completely agree. That's one of the better things about this movie. The Brig/Breakout scene is really good but Kirk and McCoy trying to get Spock to sing "Row Row Your Boat" around the campfire is just hillarious.

For me, this was the first Star Trek film i ever sat down and properly right from start to finish. Its not a bad movie although it does have a lot of problems in term of the plot and so forth but it IS watchable.

I absolutely agree about the Kirk/Spock/McCoy dynamic in this movie; it IS fantastic.

 

[Spock's Barber]

Its not a bad movie although it does have a lot of problems in term of the plot and so forth but it IS watchable.

I remember that Harve Bennett discussed the story plot of ST V with Shatner long before production started. Bennett tried to convince Shatner that it was a lose/lose situation in searching for 'God', but our good captain could not be convinced that he was going where no filmmaker had gone before.

 

[eyeresist]

Its not a bad movie although it does have a lot of problems in term of the plot and so forth but it IS watchable.

I remember that Harve Bennett discussed the story plot of ST V with Shatner long before production started. Bennett tried to convince Shatner that it was a lose/lose situation in searching for 'God', but our good captain could not be convinced that he was going where no filmmaker had gone before.

I don't think the search for 'god' was in itself a bad choice. After all, they met a number of phony deities in TOS.

There's also a parallel with TMP, where they went on a quest to meet a god-like entity. The difference is that V'ger was innocent, whereas TFF's false god was malevolent.