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Agents of SHIELD: Season 3 - Discussion (SPOILERS LIKELY)
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My understanding is that Marvel is using the Inhumans to sort-of get away with introducing mutants into the MCU without having to use the term or idea of "mutants" since mutants are owned by Fox per the X-Men.
It may be, but they're following a recent trend in the comics. After global terrigenesis, there are Inhumans popping up among us. The villain in the hospital is an Inhumans character, for example, he's not a mutant. And, fwiw, his motivation is only one that works for Inhumans. It doesn't work for mutants.
Why not we have a long history of people thinking people of other races or religions are not worthy. You can have a mutant thinking Mutant Y is not worthy of being part of the new race and move to eliminate him from the pool of mutants.
Did I hear it on a message board or a podcast that in the comics Mutants, mostly could pass for human while Inhumans mostly were like Raina and Lash and could not hence the secret cities where they lived separate from the rest of humanity. But then in the MCU without Mutants most of the Inhumans are like Daisy and Jaiying
The buzz on comics news sites, though, is that it's the other way around -- the comics are downplaying mutants and playing up Inhumans in order to follow the movies' lead. The claim is that since the movies are a far, far bigger moneymaker for Disney, the comics are under pressure to promote the characters that Disney and Marvel Studios retain the screen rights to and downplay the characters licensed to other studios. Note that not only are the X-Men being downplayed in recent comics, but the Fantastic Four don't currently have their own book and the characters are split up among various other teams.
After all, I've been talking about how long it takes to make movies, and how anything that's happening on the show now reflects things that were written for the movies a year or two ago. The same goes for comics. The current movies can't be following the lead of recent comics, because the current movies were written a couple of years ago and planned out even earlier.
Usually, the claim is more generic - that there's a downplaying of mutants (because Fox owns them) and a playing up of Inhumans (to get people to care about them) because of movie rights. I think the latter is true - and it makes sense - the X-Men books can sell on their own, while Inhumans need a little studio propping.
But when the complaint is that there are only six X-Books, I think it's much ado about nothing. It's people seeing conspiracies just to see conspiracies.
The Fantastic Four don't have their own books because nobody reads Fantastic Four books. They've sold poorly forever now. However, separately, they're still interesting characters. Reed Richards has been far more interesting now than he's ever been. I just can't see how people seriously suggest that Marvel ignores the Fantastic Four because they don't have their movie rights when they played such a prominent role in Secret Wars.
But when the complaint is that there are only six X-Books, I think it's much ado about nothing. It's people seeing conspiracies just to see conspiracies.
The Fantastic Four don't have their own books because nobody reads Fantastic Four books. They've sold poorly forever now. However, separately, they're still interesting characters. Reed Richards has been far more interesting now than he's ever been. I just can't see how people seriously suggest that Marvel ignores the Fantastic Four because they don't have their movie rights when they played such a prominent role in Secret Wars.
^Sure, the rumors are unconfirmed. My point is that it would be incorrect to say the movies and shows are following the lead of the recent comics, because the relative time it takes to make them precludes that. Whatever's happening in the movies now was planned out years ago, so it couldn't be following recent comics. And we know that Agents of SHIELD's storytelling choices are largely about following the lead of the movies.
You can always do it the old-fashioned way - separate origin stories for each individual.
That's crazy talk!
Or the Star Wars/Guardians of the Galaxy solution the super powered are all just different alien species. Now that Asgard's protection of Earth doesn't seem absolute after seeing the events in the Battle of New York many might try to come.
The problem with the "everyone has a unique origin story" idea, is that it means you have to actually tell a unique origin story for everyone to the point that all you're doing is telling origin stories that become less and less interesting.
It's the reason Stan Lee and whoever else was in the room at the time came up with the concept of mutants in the first place. So they could sum up the origin of their outlandish powers in three words ("they're a mutant") and get on with telling an actual story.
It's the reason Stan Lee and whoever else was in the room at the time came up with the concept of mutants in the first place. So they could sum up the origin of their outlandish powers in three words ("they're a mutant") and get on with telling an actual story.
Sure, but X-Men didn't stop the invention of new villains and heroes with unique origin stories.
Plus, let's think about this more practically. Sure, Agents of SHIELD could be inventing a lot of new characters but, if they draw from the comics, odds are those characters won't be mutants (sure, some will because there are mutants that weren't created for X-Books), but most won't. That means those characters already have origin stories to use.
Plus, let's think about this more practically. Sure, Agents of SHIELD could be inventing a lot of new characters but, if they draw from the comics, odds are those characters won't be mutants (sure, some will because there are mutants that weren't created for X-Books), but most won't. That means those characters already have origin stories to use.
But that was limited to one book, a book about mutants. Every other character had a non-mutant origin, be it mystical or pseudo-scientific. Their foes tended to be non-mutants as well.
The Fantastic Four had a unified origin almost two years before the X-Men did, and the FF origins were due to the same rocket trip.
Extend that to cosmic rays, or rocket ships in general and that covers a few other people (and apes) too.
The Eternals(/Titanian Eternals) and Deviants.
Atlanteans and Lemurians, others.
Moleoids and other Subterraneans.
Vampires and other classic magical monsters
http://stevekenson.com/2005/11/15/marvel-the-hidden-races/
(Thanos is an Eternal who was born on Titan, the moon of Saturn, in our Solar System. His father Mentor, was probably born on Earth. Local boy makes good?)
I agree. If everyone had to have a unique origin story, they would have spend so much time explaining who the new characters were, and how they got their powers that they'd barely have time for anything else in the episodes. I guess they could just limit how many new characters they introduce and how often they introduce them. They gave us the mass release of Terrigen Mists for the same reason Smallville gave us Meteor Freaks in the early episodes, and The Flash gave us the particle accelerator explosion. By having a quick easy explanation for ne character's powers, they can focus on other stuff.
As for the episode, it was OK. I do agree this was the weakest episode so far.
The Lincoln stuff was OK, but it would have been nice if they gave us more of an explanation for who exactly Lincoln's friend was. I was surprised Coulson actually turned him over to ATCU, that is not going to go over well with him.
I was surprised Coulson and S.H.I.E.L.D are going to be working with ATCU so soon.
The stuff with Hunter and May was Ok, tons of shows have done fight club stuff like that, and while there were some fun bits, and it was done well, there wasn't really anything that unique to that arc.
The FitzSimmons stuff was the highlight of the episode. I'm glad they are taking their time with her recover, rather than just having her go right back to work with the occaisional little twitch or something. I'm very curious to see why she needs to go back where she was.
They lack the variety and randomness of mutants and Inhumans. Eternals mostly have the same power set. A few do chose to specialize like Makkari and Sersi. The Deviants have the randomness but tend to be evil and not so easy on the eyes.
