That's probably where the joke really comes in for the average American anyway...
Agents of SHIELD: Season 3 - Discussion (SPOILERS LIKELY)
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That's probably where the joke really comes in for the average American anyway...
The episode was ok, but I'm not enjoying the ATCU stuff. Also, Coulson's reasons for working with them were goofy, especially since I'm pretty sure he's going to end up having to fight them in the end, anyway. The Fitz/Simmons stuff was pretty good, though, and the May/Hunter stuff was alright.
Not so much when you consider it's sort of a cack-handed rip-off of a scene in 'Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels'.
Now, if they were talking geordie, then it would at least have been funny and genuinely incomprehensible...at least for everyone not living in Newcastle.
Which sort of highlights how the whole thing fell flat with me. It was supposed to send up how incomprehensible Brits can be to Yanks, not how incomprehensible drunk people can be to the sober.
Of course it wasn't even real British drunk talk. They didn't even use the C word *once*!
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Why Simmons needs to go back:
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^Apparently you need to be signed into that site to view the content. I couldn't see it.
Decent episode but very weak in comparison to the first two episodes.
Did anyone else feel like they were watching LOST when Simmons said she needs to go back?
Did anyone else feel like they were watching LOST when Simmons said she needs to go back?
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Weaker than the first two. I liked the parts with Lincoln, especially towards the end. Hunter/May was basically just filler. Why did the camera slide over that Hydra symbol on the wall so ominously? I felt like I was supposed to be shocked or something, yet didn't everyone already know exactly who they were trying to infiltrate?
I also really didn't like Coulson's decision at the end. He's willing to let an innocent man be imprisoned, possibly indefinitely, and maybe worse (ATCU claims not, but they're not exactly acting trustworthy) just because they have a picture of Daisy and he doesn't want to fight them? Worst case scenario, Daisy stops working missions in North America and the ATCU and their picture pose no threat to her whatsoever. And not wanting to keep fighting other agencies is a weak as hell reason to allow a man to be wrongfully imprisoned.
I also really didn't like Coulson's decision at the end. He's willing to let an innocent man be imprisoned, possibly indefinitely, and maybe worse (ATCU claims not, but they're not exactly acting trustworthy) just because they have a picture of Daisy and he doesn't want to fight them? Worst case scenario, Daisy stops working missions in North America and the ATCU and their picture pose no threat to her whatsoever. And not wanting to keep fighting other agencies is a weak as hell reason to allow a man to be wrongfully imprisoned.
Well, I knew the alien planet storyline wasn't over, but I didn't expect Simmons to want to go back. Is it because she can't re-acclimate to Earth or because she has unfinished business of some kind. Probably the latter. And good old Fitz, trying to help her out as much as he can; he reserved the whole restaurant for her. 
I was surprised that Coulson was willing to give up Lincoln. Very uncharacteristic of him, and that pretty much killed any chance of Lincoln trusting anyone ever again. On the other hand, his ultimate solution was pure Coulson: Work with them and try to change their minds. We'll see how that works out. Especially with all the flirting going on between him and Rosalind.
I didn't care about the fight club business, or anything to do with Ward. Just find him, kill him, and forget him, please.
I was thinking that very thing.
I was surprised that Coulson was willing to give up Lincoln. Very uncharacteristic of him, and that pretty much killed any chance of Lincoln trusting anyone ever again. On the other hand, his ultimate solution was pure Coulson: Work with them and try to change their minds. We'll see how that works out. Especially with all the flirting going on between him and Rosalind.
I didn't care about the fight club business, or anything to do with Ward. Just find him, kill him, and forget him, please.
I just clicked on the close X in the corner and one picture appeared- not sure if that was the only thing meant to be shared or not.
Hooray! I'm not completely crazy!I was thinking that very thing.
Yes, but that showed that he'd succeeded. It was for affirmation, not surprise.
He probably hoped that by establishing a relationship with Price and the ATCU, by earning their trust, he could guide them toward using better methods and eventually convince them to release Lincoln. The simple fact is, Price has the upper hand here. Her agency is authorized and government-approved. Coulson is running a rogue operation with little support beyond Nick Fury's own resources. It's a fight he probably couldn't win. So he's trying a different tack. The weaker party often has to make compromises, to accept the inevitable and try to bring about change through subtler methods. You can't win every battle by just charging forward. When facing a superior force, you have to accept that superiority and try to work around it or redirect it.
It's a Photoshopped picture of Simmons with Chris Pratt, not an actual pic from an upcoming episode, so you didn't miss anything in that sense.
I've got the completely opposite expectation. I think Coulson joining forces with the ATCU is his pathway to bringing SHIELD back into legitimacy with the government. He said he wanted to make a change when he mentioned regretting spending so much time butting heads with Talbot and the alternate SHIELD. I think he's starting to find SHIELD's outlaw status to be a bigger liability than he anticipated.
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I edited my post to show the picture directly. For some reason that doesn't work from my ipad.
I think it's because the Dropbox Uploader requires Flash to function.
Yes, definitely the weaker of the first episodes but still enjoyable.
I like Coulson and Rosalind's verbal sparing. Clark Gregg has a great way with nonchalance. I also have really liked Daisy and Coulson together, but the dynamic between the two seems to be changing. I read something spoilerish about her destiny with SHIELD and am wondering if that is what is being teased. .
Daisy is a lot more assertive now where she used to be more passive with "Phil" (still getting used to hearing that name from her). Daisy and Mack together have all kinds of chemistry. He is as stoic as she is high strung.
So, Andrew dumped May. That's a mild surprise.
Ward never saw Hunter?
I'm liking Hunter more and more. He is a guy who recognizes his shortcomings and is not too proud to compensate. Someone will have to explain to me the science behind brass knuckles. Seems to me they would just cut rather than increase the force of a punch. Well, I guess if they're heavy...
Yeah, Jemma needing to "go back" was a shocker, an intriguing shocker. And what was with her hyper sensitivity to the sound of cell phones ringing?
Hey, Fitz must be making some serious coin to be able to buy out an entire restaurant.
I like Coulson and Rosalind's verbal sparing. Clark Gregg has a great way with nonchalance. I also have really liked Daisy and Coulson together, but the dynamic between the two seems to be changing. I read something spoilerish about her destiny with SHIELD and am wondering if that is what is being teased. .
Daisy is a lot more assertive now where she used to be more passive with "Phil" (still getting used to hearing that name from her). Daisy and Mack together have all kinds of chemistry. He is as stoic as she is high strung.
So, Andrew dumped May. That's a mild surprise.
Ward never saw Hunter?
I'm liking Hunter more and more. He is a guy who recognizes his shortcomings and is not too proud to compensate. Someone will have to explain to me the science behind brass knuckles. Seems to me they would just cut rather than increase the force of a punch. Well, I guess if they're heavy...
Yeah, Jemma needing to "go back" was a shocker, an intriguing shocker. And what was with her hyper sensitivity to the sound of cell phones ringing?
Hey, Fitz must be making some serious coin to be able to buy out an entire restaurant.
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This assumes that the ATCU is the stronger party, which I don't buy.
For one Coulson was able to get a Helicarrier up and running in secret, had the Bus 2.0 built, a fleet of quinjets he keeps fueled plus an aircraft carrier, according to last season several shell companies to generate cash with, and the ability to hack the freaking Whitehouse in a few minutes just to get in touch with someone, knows how to disappear rather quickly, at lest two superhumans on the payroll, tolerance of the last guy sent after him, global reach, and SHIELD knoiws what the fuck its doing.
The ATCU has support of the US government going for it but as such is likely only limited to within the US, can't catch crap on their own, don't have the foggiest idea wht they are doing since its pretty much established that they are increasing the levels of clusterfuck their ops devolve into, and are outmatched tech wise by SHIELD.
For pete's sake the ATCU's first appearance involved getting schooled by three SHIELD agents and Coulson getting a picture of Price letting him get info on her when the ATCU was still supposed to be a secret organization.
The whole shoehorning-in of the Helicarrier to make a cutesy with AoU made no sense whatsoever given the then-current state of the AoS storyline and still makes no sense now.
Coulson didn't give any indication that he wasn't keeping the carrier in the episode set after Age of Ultron especially since he was pretty big on getting his hands on SHIELD stuff, and I doubt Fury is going to fork the Helicarrier over to the US just becuase Stark screwed up and it affected ANOTHER COUNTRY.
Plus I don't see why members of a formally INTERNATIONAL spy agency would feel the need to hand over stuff to the US like the whole world revolves around America.
To me, it's a separate issue. The question isn't whether SHIELD could win in a fight, it's whether the bad guys would get away while SHIELD is fighting the ATCU.
