Does anyone ever actually get PUNISHEDfor breaking the PrimeDirective?

[JirinPanthosa]

Re: Does anyone ever actually get PUNISHEDfor breaking the PrimeDirect

I love in that episode how Garak realizes Quark doesn't really want to die and leaves him with fear that he could kill him any moment.

I'd imagine most people are punished severely but connected people like Picard get 'Heart in the right place' exemptions.

 

[MacLeod]

Re: Does anyone ever actually get PUNISHEDfor breaking the PrimeDirect

Nikolai wasn't in Starfleet. Would he be held to the same restrictions concerning the Prime Directive?

No he wouldn't. The Prime Directive doesn't apply to civilians, as established in Angel One. Now, Nikolai is in a bit of a unique situation, given he was on board a Starfleet ship at the time, and probably expected to follow their rules. Although, in the end if he did get any sort of punishment it would have been for unauthorized use of the transporter rather than violating the Prime Directive. Though for all we know, being Worf's brother probably protected him from any serious punishment. Starfleet's like that at times.

Well it could be a case of those civilians working for/on behalf of The Federation and/or Starfleet would be expected to follow the PD. Whilst indpendant ship operators might not be expected to follow the PD.

Of course they get punished, they all get promoted to the Admiralty and stuck behind a desk where they can do less damage, ie Kirk and Janeway.

To quote Admiral Toddman in DS9's The Die is Cast "If you pull a stunt like that again I'll court-martial you or I'll promote you. Either way you'll be in a lot of trouble."

Unfortunalty Kirk was just as big of a menance in the Admiralty they demoted him back to the space lanes he must have been less of a menace there.

 

[Melakon]

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Unfortunalty Kirk was just as big of a menance in the Admiralty they demoted him back to the space lanes he must have been less of a menace there.

From "Trials and Tribble-ations":

SISKO: This was the first Enterprise. Constitution class.
DULMUR: His ship.
LUCSLY: James T Kirk.
SISKO: The one and only.
LUCSLY: Seventeen separate temporal violations. The biggest file on record.
DULMUR: The man was a menace.

 

[Tracy Trek]

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Nikolai wasn't in Starfleet. Would he be held to the same restrictions concerning the Prime Directive?

No he wouldn't. The Prime Directive doesn't apply to civilians, as established in Angel One. Now, Nikolai is in a bit of a unique situation, given he was on board a Starfleet ship at the time, and probably expected to follow their rules. Although, in the end if he did get any sort of punishment it would have been for unauthorized use of the transporter rather than violating the Prime Directive. Though for all we know, being Worf's brother probably protected him from any serious punishment. Starfleet's like that at times.

And he chose to stay behind on the new planet with his pregnant lover. I sort of got the idea if he had went back to living in the Federation, there might have been some trouble. Maybe not legal, but disapproval of his peers or something like that.

By the way, would you mind if I use that quote you put on another post as my signature line? The one about "I'll either court-martial you or promote you. Either way, you're in a lot of trouble".

 

[at Quark's]

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Unfortunalty Kirk was just as big of a menance in the Admiralty they demoted him back to the space lanes he must have been less of a menace there.

From "Trials and Tribble-ations":

SISKO: This was the first Enterprise. Constitution class.
DULMUR: His ship.
LUCSLY: James T Kirk.
SISKO: The one and only.
LUCSLY: Seventeen separate temporal violations. The biggest file on record.
DULMUR: The man was a menace.

To be true, those guys from Temporal Investigations were painted as particularly humourless (out-of universe of course to add to the comedy). So (in-universe again) it could mean that it was only that department's opinion (or even their personal opinion), and not that of Starfleet Admirality at large ...

 

[MacLeod]

Re: Does anyone ever actually get PUNISHEDfor breaking the PrimeDirect

Unfortunalty Kirk was just as big of a menance in the Admiralty they demoted him back to the space lanes he must have been less of a menace there.

From "Trials and Tribble-ations":

SISKO: This was the first Enterprise. Constitution class.
DULMUR: His ship.
LUCSLY: James T Kirk.
SISKO: The one and only.
LUCSLY: Seventeen separate temporal violations. The biggest file on record.
DULMUR: The man was a menace.

To be true, those guys from Temporal Investigations were painted as particularly humourless (out-of universe of course to add to the comedy). So (in-universe again) it could mean that it was only that department's opinion (or even their personal opinion), and not that of Starfleet Admirality at large ...

And of course at least one of them admitted that he would have liked to have met Kirk right at the end after Sisko says what he did.

 

[T'Girl]

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I sort of got the idea if he had went back to living in the Federation, there might have been some trouble. Maybe not legal, but disapproval of his peers or something like that.

Or they would have given Nicky a parade, pity the shows never went into what the civilian population thinks of the prime directive.

Assuming that the PD doesn't apply to him, any charges would stem from beaming the villagers aboard without permission.

DULMUR: The man was a menace.

Sisko: "Terrible him saving all those lives."

Dulmur (oblivious): "Yes."

.

 

[The Laughing Vulcan]

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Or they would have given Nicky a parade, pity the shows never went into what the civilian population thinks of the prime directive.

It's foreign policy. How often does a population consider its government's foreign policy. It's usually only when it fails that opinions get vocal.

 

[MacLeod]

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Or they would have given Nicky a parade, pity the shows never went into what the civilian population thinks of the prime directive.

It's foreign policy. How often does a population consider its government's foreign policy. It's usually only when it fails that opinions get vocal.

How about at election time, surely that is the time when the populance (or rather electorate) considers a Government's policy.

Now whilst it is true we don't know how each member world chooses is Federation Councillor, whther it's by popular vote or by the Government of each member selecting them or some other means.

 

[The Laughing Vulcan]

Re: Does anyone ever actually get PUNISHEDfor breaking the PrimeDirect

Or they would have given Nicky a parade, pity the shows never went into what the civilian population thinks of the prime directive.

It's foreign policy. How often does a population consider its government's foreign policy. It's usually only when it fails that opinions get vocal.

How about at election time, surely that is the time when the populance (or rather electorate) considers a Government's policy.

Now whilst it is true we don't know how each member world chooses is Federation Councillor, whther it's by popular vote or by the Government of each member selecting them or some other means.

Judging by current trends, it will still probably only boil down to either war or immigration. We don't want the bloody Skreeans coming over here, cornflaking their skin all over our lawn. The Prime Directive is essentially a rule of engagement or rather non-engagement for Starfleet, the Federation military. Would you be aware of the rules that the Navy has to abide by?

If the Prime Directive applied to civilians, it would be a different matter, which by the 24th Century, and despite Angel One, I suspect it did. Some episodes, such as Pen Pals, or the Nikolai Rozhenko episode, I'd wonder why they'd bother going out there in a starship anyway, if they were so hands-off, they should have just stayed home in bed.

 

[MacLeod]

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Yes but my point stands, elections is when the electorate decides if they agree with the direction their government has taken in the past or propsoes to take.

After all those running for the Federation Council could run with a relaxation of the PD as part of their case to be elected.

 

[The Wormhole]

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By the way, would you mind if I use that quote you put on another post as my signature line? The one about "I'll either court-martial you or promote you. Either way, you're in a lot of trouble".

Since it's actually from an episode (DS9's The Die is Cast) I have no ownership over it, therefore you want to use it you don't need my permission.

 

[T'Girl]

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Yes but my point stands, elections is when the electorate decides if they agree with the direction their government has taken in the past or propsoes to take

Hmm, that would assume that the members of the Federation are equal, instead of a few being the big power players. Like the security council in the UN, America in NATO, Germany in the Europe.

 

[jim-jean-ben]

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rules are meant to be broken......most violations of it by all captains were justified anyhow.