So Where'd They Go?
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Andorians were referenced several times, and I believe DS9 had a reference to a 'Tholian ambassador'. I don't remember which series it was where somebody remarked they delivered Gorn babies.
One could speculate that the Federation is large with several fronts and the Enterprise was mostly deployed in the area adjacent to Klingon, Romulan and Cardassian space.
One could speculate that the Federation is large with several fronts and the Enterprise was mostly deployed in the area adjacent to Klingon, Romulan and Cardassian space.
I believe it was established that it would take two weeks to send a message from Bajor/DS9 to Cestus III. Assuming that is near Tholian space, the two regions are far apart.
Especially during the Dominion War I wondered about some of them. You could argue that the Organians, Metrons, Q, etc didn't care as it was no threat to them. The First Federation seemed like they were like Tolkein's Elves or Babylon 5's Centauri (initially), on the way out of things.
But the Gorn, Tzenkethi, Jarada, Sheliak, Talarians, Children of Tama, others(?) all seemed like they'd have to pick a side. I was wowed when they brought in the Breen (great WTF moments: Yay!), and I remember liking when they mentioned the Tholians and Miradorn signed non-aggression pacts with the Dominion.
But the Gorn, Tzenkethi, Jarada, Sheliak, Talarians, Children of Tama, others(?) all seemed like they'd have to pick a side. I was wowed when they brought in the Breen (great WTF moments: Yay!), and I remember liking when they mentioned the Tholians and Miradorn signed non-aggression pacts with the Dominion.
Said this before, but once the Andorians had been "redesigned" for ENT, I still think it's a shame we never see random one in ST: Nemesis. Like sat in the wedding at the start (there's some Vulcan instead), or a random crewmember on the Enterprise-E (like they did with the Bolian engineering guy in First Contact and Bajoran engineering guy in Insurrection)
It would be easy to argue that any prominent First Contact in the TNG era would represent only the first tentative step in a very long process of (possible) integration. We really shouldn't be hearing about, say, the Jarada or the Tamarians any time soon.
OTOH, even after integration, many such contacts might prove to be utterly insignificant in the big scheme of things. Why should we again meet the First Federation?
For another category, Talarians were part of TNG for surprisingly many references and incidents, despite being essentially nobodies, another hostile culture from what supposedly was an endless pool of those. Indeed, foes like that were conveniently collectively dismissed as the "Border Wars", a series of conflicts so obscure that only one veteran of those was to be found among the thousand E-D crew.
DS9 had fun with the Breen. ENT had some fun with the Tholians. But non-Fed species might lead rich imaginary lives without ever appearing on camera, thus remaining fresh for future adventures.
Really, the only absence I'm, ah, let's say concerned with is the Tellarites. In TOS, they really weren't that big a deal: not "founding members", but merely a random bunch who had a grievance regarding Coridan. Even after Andorians became a "major" species in ENT (after plenty of appearances elsewhere), it shouldn't follow that one of their random rivals would automatically become a big league player...
So the question goes, are Tellarites important? Are they actual founding members, invisible background props and some alt-timeline nonsense from "Zero Hour" aside? Or just people who complicated the founding of the Coalition of Planets by their presence but eventual refusal to join? Did their decision not to join mean a downturn in their fortunes, leading to the TOS near-obscurity and TNG full disappearance?
Timo Saloniemi
OTOH, even after integration, many such contacts might prove to be utterly insignificant in the big scheme of things. Why should we again meet the First Federation?
For another category, Talarians were part of TNG for surprisingly many references and incidents, despite being essentially nobodies, another hostile culture from what supposedly was an endless pool of those. Indeed, foes like that were conveniently collectively dismissed as the "Border Wars", a series of conflicts so obscure that only one veteran of those was to be found among the thousand E-D crew.
DS9 had fun with the Breen. ENT had some fun with the Tholians. But non-Fed species might lead rich imaginary lives without ever appearing on camera, thus remaining fresh for future adventures.
Really, the only absence I'm, ah, let's say concerned with is the Tellarites. In TOS, they really weren't that big a deal: not "founding members", but merely a random bunch who had a grievance regarding Coridan. Even after Andorians became a "major" species in ENT (after plenty of appearances elsewhere), it shouldn't follow that one of their random rivals would automatically become a big league player...
So the question goes, are Tellarites important? Are they actual founding members, invisible background props and some alt-timeline nonsense from "Zero Hour" aside? Or just people who complicated the founding of the Coalition of Planets by their presence but eventual refusal to join? Did their decision not to join mean a downturn in their fortunes, leading to the TOS near-obscurity and TNG full disappearance?
Timo Saloniemi
Swept away in periodic waves of ethnic cleansing, which the Federation doesn't like to talk about.
Swept away in periodic waves of ethnic cleansing, which the Federation doesn't like to talk about.
You laugh, but that's what kept the Romulans busy before their forehead-ridged return in TNG's "The Neutral Zone."
Now the Gorn? Asteroid wiped them out.
Based on known Dominion 'Divide and Conquer' tactics, they probably formed non-aggression treaties with every enemy of the Federation.
The only time I recall seeing an Andorian in the later series was in TNG. When Lal was trying to decide what form she should take, (although at this point she wasn't a she or a he yet, just a gender neutral android). The four finalists displayed on the holodeck were Klingon male, Andorian female, human male and human female.
Was a Tellarite shown in any of the later series? Enterprise perhaps.
Was a Tellarite shown in any of the later series? Enterprise perhaps.
An Andorian is also seen on Risa in Captain's Holiday.
Yes, Tellarites were seen eight times on Enterprise. Bounty, Borderland, Babel One, United, In a Mirror Darkly Parts 1 and 2, Demons, Terra Prime.
An Andorian was seen, in Star Fleet uniform, in the final Council scene in Star Trek IV.
Because as Azetbur said in Star Trek VI, the Federation is nothing more than a 'homosapiens only' club
You think that's a joke. But if The Chase is correct then scientifically speaking we would all be subspecies of Homosapiens. Homosapiens Sapiens, Homosapiens Vulcanensis, Homosapiens Andoriensis, etc.
The Federation literally is a homosapiens only club thanks to the aliens in The Chase.
The abundance of upright, bipedal aliens has long been a limit of live-action Trek. But in TAS, there were Arex and M'ress. I would say their anatomies are sufficiently different from ours that they wouldn't be classified as "homosapiens." Presumably, their peoples were in the Federation. And in at least one of the novels, there was a Horta officer in Starfleet.
Kor
Kor
Swept away in periodic waves of ethnic cleansing, which the Federation doesn't like to talk about.
They didn't like root beer. They had to go.
On Denobulans:
I remember reading a retcon (I can't remember where) that suggested that by the time the political situation fell out the way it eventually fell out by TOS, the Denobulan homeworld landed on the far side of the Romulan Neutral Zone. Therefore they were out of contact with the Federation for a couple of centuries until Nemesis suggested an end to hostilities.
I remember reading a retcon (I can't remember where) that suggested that by the time the political situation fell out the way it eventually fell out by TOS, the Denobulan homeworld landed on the far side of the Romulan Neutral Zone. Therefore they were out of contact with the Federation for a couple of centuries until Nemesis suggested an end to hostilities.
It would have been great on Enterprise if the Zindi said they were Romulans. The Vulcans would be obligated to say that the Romulans were their brothers by then and the whole Romulan war would make the Vulcans look guilty by not telling us this sooner. They used us to take care of their problem for them and many Humans died fighting probably including Styles' father or grandfather. Spock could have been a double agent sworn to keep the secret.
That would imply Vulcans were always aware the Romulans were an offshoot, which is never made clear.
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