Anybody Else Find The Kirk/Spock/Mccoy Scenes In TFF Fantastic?

[Thowra]

I don't know. TUC has some nice moments involving the three. Like that bittersweet scene with Kirk and Spock near the end: "Could it be that we've outlived our usefulness?" Etc.

And you've got the bit where Spock and McCoy team up to perform "surgery" on the modified torpedo, where they're working together quite effectively.

And the bit where McCoy rolls his eyes when Kirk gets it on with yet another alien babe . . ..

Lots of nice Kirk/Spock/McCoy moments in that movie, reflecting their long friendship and history. IMHO.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I agree with these moments, all good. I suppose I'm just left wanting more of them!

Maybe it's more to do with the acknowledgement that things are winding down for them - the sadness that their era is coming to an end (I want the good old humour to lift my spirits)

 

[A beaker full of death]

And you've got the bit where Spock and McCoy team up to perform "surgery" on the modified torpedo, where they're working together quite effectively.

Makes me cringe every time. Sure, where else would the CMO be while the crew is getting shot up?

 

[Trimm]

I think I'd take the "dining on ashes" scene in TUC over anything in TFF. The campfire stuff in TFF is cringeworthy, and the brig scene seems to involve Shatner and Kelley taking a round of uppers before they filmed it.

 

[martok2112]

And you've got the bit where Spock and McCoy team up to perform "surgery" on the modified torpedo, where they're working together quite effectively.

Makes me cringe every time. Sure, where else would the CMO be while the crew is getting shot up?

Crewmember station goes out the window for effective and emotional storytelling. It was meant as a nice moment for Spock and McCoy for everyone in the audience (or watching the movie on video) who even remotely knew about the nature of their relationship over the years.

Besides, how many times over the years has McCoy been on the bridge when he had no business being there in the first place? Contrast that with how many times we saw Dr. Crusher on the bridge (unless it was necessary), or the EMH, or Dr. Phlox. McCoy was away from his station a lot more than all three of the latter put together. (That's talking about being on the bridge....not on an away mission.)

 

[Shark]

Yeah those scenes make the movie.

 

[eyeresist]

I like McCoy's revelation about his father, and the way it's foreshadowed in the opening.

I like the idea of seeing them all together in their off duty, but the "Marshmellon" nonsense and the rocket boots and all that, it's just... No... To quote a Shatner song "I can't get behind that..!"

This, basically. The serious scenes are great, and I love McCoy stressing out about Kirk's daredevil ways, but the movie is waggling its eyebrows at the audience much too much. Just cut out the jokes and it would be a better movie.

I do like the idea of a nostalgic camp-out with old friends (though I hate the idea of camping...).

 

[Captain_Koloth]

For me the single McCoy's father/Spock's birth etc scene makes the entire rest of the mostly lousy movie worth watching. It saves the film. I'm not exaggerating, I like it that much.

 

[eyeresist]

And this:

SPOCK: Sybok! You are my brother, but you do not know me. I am not the outcast boy you left behind those many years ago. Since that time I found myself and my place and I know who I am. I cannot go with you.
McCOY: I, er... I guess you'd better count me out, too.

 

[martok2112]

And this:

SPOCK: Sybok! You are my brother, but you do not know me. I am not the outcast boy you left behind those many years ago. Since that time I found myself and my place and I know who I am. I cannot go with you.
McCOY: I, er... I guess you'd better count me out, too.

And this:

SPOCK: I was thinking of Sybok. I have lost a brother.
KIRK: Yes. I lost a brother once. I was lucky I got him back.

Although they should've edited that to reflect the loss of Kirk's human brother, George. I believe the comic book adaptation of Trek V actually got it right.

KIRK: I lost two brothers once. I was lucky I got one of them back.

 

[Greg Cox]

And this:

SPOCK: Sybok! You are my brother, but you do not know me. I am not the outcast boy you left behind those many years ago. Since that time I found myself and my place and I know who I am. I cannot go with you.
McCOY: I, er... I guess you'd better count me out, too.

And this:

SPOCK: I was thinking of Sybok. I have lost a brother.
KIRK: Yes. I lost a brother once. I was lucky I got him back.

Although they should've edited that to reflect the loss of Kirk's human brother, George. I believe the comic book adaptation of Trek V actually got it right.

KIRK: I lost two brothers once. I was lucky I got one of them back.

The problem with that is that referencing George Kirk would've confused the 90% percent of the movie audience who didn't remember "Operation--Annihilate!" and would've have had no idea what other brother Kirk was talking about. "George Kirk" was a footnote who had nothing to do with the plot of STAR TREK V. So why clutter up your big emotional finale by dragging up an obscure bit of Trek trivia?

There's a great quote from Saki that I love: "An ounce of inaccuracy sames a ton of explanation." I think that applies here: That scene wasn't about George Kirk. It was about Kirk and Spock.

But, yeah, I love that first exchange between Spock and Sybok, which is a nice acknowledgement of Spock's growth and evolution as a character.

 

[martok2112]

And this:

And this:


Although they should've edited that to reflect the loss of Kirk's human brother, George. I believe the comic book adaptation of Trek V actually got it right.

KIRK: I lost two brothers once. I was lucky I got one of them back.

The problem with that is that referencing George Kirk would've confused the 90% percent of the movie audience who didn't remember "Operation--Annihilate!" and would've have had no idea what other brother Kirk was talking about. "George Kirk" was a footnote who had nothing to do with the plot of STAR TREK V. So why clutter up your big emotional finale by dragging up an obscure bit of Trek trivia?

There's a great quote from Saki that I love: "An ounce of inaccuracy sames a ton of explanation." I think that applies here: That scene wasn't about George Kirk. It was about Kirk and Spock.

But, yeah, I love that first exchange between Spock and Sybok, which is a nice acknowledgement of Spock's growth and evolution as a character.

You're correct on that score, and I shall have to remember that quote....for that does ring very true...and it shall help me in my future tribute film endeavors.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

And for those of us who would understand the George Kirk reference, it makes the quote about a "brother" more powerful in that Spock means more to James Kirk than his own brother might have.

 

[Marsden]

I admit I thought of Sam when he said that, but let's take a moment and look at when each event happened.


Sam died about 25+ years before this, Spock had died and was "reborn" about 5 years ago. I'm not saying that Jim had forgot about Sam, but he had passed much longer ago than what happened to Mr. Spock.

 

[Tracy Trek]

I admit I thought of Sam when he said that, but let's take a moment and look at when each event happened.


Sam died about 25+ years before this, Spock had died and was "reborn" about 5 years ago. I'm not saying that Jim had forgot about Sam, but he had passed much longer ago than what happened to Mr. Spock.

From the moment I saw that scene, I knew he meant Spock when he said brother. It's what makes the scene so good. It shows what these 3 men meant to each other.

 

[Shark]

I think the thing that really hurts Star Trek V are the wonky effects. If they'd had better effects I think most people would forgive the odd choices.

Unlike most I suspect, I find all those oddities in TFF to be more of a draw than a drawback.

 

[eyeresist]

I don't really mind the effects. They are at least as good as the effects in TOS, and do the job of telling the story.

 

[Shark]

I don't really mind the effects. They are at least as good as the effects in TOS, and do the job of telling the story.

I agree for the most part. I just think that is what turned most people off.

 

[Relayer1]

Trek V should be erased from reality and a special edit of the camping trip added to the Trek 4 or 6 Blurays as bonus material.

 

[Vger23]

And for those of us who would understand the George Kirk reference, it makes the quote about a "brother" more powerful in that Spock means more to James Kirk than his own brother might have.

It seems a lot of people get fired up about the "brother" comment and think that it completely ignores Kirk's brother Sam.

I for one never gave it a second thought. Kirk said "I lost A brother once," and went on to be clear that he was talking about Spock. He did not say "I lost MY brother once" which would have implied something completely different.

I think it's just another nit-pick area people who already don't like the movie like to poke at.

 

[eyeresist]

I don't really mind the effects. They are at least as good as the effects in TOS, and do the job of telling the story.

I agree for the most part. I just think that is what turned most people off.

I think the problem was tone and structure.