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Anyone here who likes Neelix?

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I'm just asking because I see a lot of negative comments about him.

As for me, I don't dislike or hate Neelix.

I can joke about him sometimes, criticize his behavior sometimes, laugh at his way of being sometimes but I actually like him.

Why? Because the character had more depth than I think many people realize.

His whole "comical" behavior was actually a result of a terrible trauma in which he lost his whole family. To cope with that horrible experience, he took on his duty to help, to cheer people up and to be as useful as possible for the Voyager crew.

OK, he was overdoing a lot of things which gave the opposite result of what he wanted and he screwed up his relationship with Kes. But that was also a result of the trauma which affected him deeply. He was a very complex person.

If Voyager had had a counselor, that person would have had to spend a lot of time with Neelix because the poor guy really did have some "issues".

Neelix desperately tried to "fit in". Obviously he did know deep down inside that his skills were limited so he tried to compensate for that with a lot of ideas and whims, like his self-made role as "Morale Officer", how he became almost obsessed with the idea of being an "investigating journalist", the Talaxian resort he created at the holodek (which Harry and Tom totally changed) and his bragging about his skills as guide while his knowledge about the Delta Quadrant was limited. That was also one of the reasons why he and Kes started to drift apart as soon as they came on board Voyager.

Kes found a purpose for her life on the ship. A new reality, new people, the Hydroponics Bay, her work in sickbay and an ardent will to learn and explore.

Neelix on the other hand found his skills rather limited and therefore did all he could to get attention, like "look at me, see what I can accomplish. His jealousy over Kes probably had something to do about being jealous of how good Kes did adapt to the new life and become an useful member of the crew while he did find himself limited. Not to mention that his control over Kes started to vanish as soon as they joined the Voyager crew.

I also think thyt he still had bad memories about what happened to his family so in an attempt to keep those feelings away he tried to be positive, cheerful and tried to cheer up everyone on the ship, like "I want happiness around me so smile!".

Of corse he over-did almost everything he was involved in. His pestering of Tuvok was actually horrible and annoying (but fun to watch) and I can understand Tuvok's frustration over those current attacks from Neelix. But his intentions were good.

So I can't help feeling a lot of sympathy for the furry guy, despite his sometimes annoying behavior.

As for his departure from the ship, I don't think that he became any happier on that asteroid. It wouldn't surprise me if he started to regret it after a couple of months and went away to find Voyager again.
 
I agree with everything you said! I think a lot of times people only see a comic relief character as stupid or annoying. But in most cases they are the ones with the most depth and insight.

I also loved his relationship with Naomi. It was very sweet how he looked after, played with her, and told bedtime stories. It was very endearing to watch and spoke volumes of his character. That and he was extremely loyal to the Voyager crew.
 
Voyager didn't have a counselor, but they had Neelix. He tended to the morale. So sad that I forgot to mention him in my "Who would you ask for help" thread.
 
When he was supposed to be the comic relief, I hated him (because he wasn't funny). When he was angry or aggressive, I really couldn't stand him.

When he was neither and simply functioned as a normal, non-cartoon person, he was fine.

His best moment was in Rise when he confronted Tuvok about the way he looked down on him. Sadly, this was somewhat ruined by the fact that Tuvok did actually have good reason to despise Neelix on occasion.
 
I never really got the impression that Neelix's goofy behavior was a result of what happened to his family. But if that's your interpretation, ok.
 
I'm a bit neutral when it comes to Neelix. Ambivalent. There are times when I want to shove him out the airlock and there are other times when I'm glad he's around.
 
Neelix desperately tried to "fit in". Obviously he did know deep down inside that his skills were limited so he tried to compensate for that with a lot of ideas and whims, like his self-made role as "Morale Officer", how he became almost obsessed with the idea of being an "investigating journalist", the Talaxian resort he created at the holodek (which Harry and Tom totally changed) and his bragging about his skills as guide while his knowledge about the Delta Quadrant was limited.
I actually liked the character, and part of that was his attempt to fit in. It seemed a bit sad, but I give him credit for trying.
 
I have always liked Neelix. I guess I understand why some people don't, but I think I can find ways to identify with somebody like him. Neelix may seem like somebody who's always joking around, but deep down inside I think he is a very lonely man and only wants to help people.

He's like Reginald Barclay, in a way - may not seem like an easy person to like, but one of the most loyal friends anyone could want.

And while I do think he was overly jealous of Kes, I don't think he was evil or malicious in doing so. He genuinely loved Kes and I think part of his attitude was due to his fear of losing her. Kes was probably the first person Neelix ever loved, and so I don't know if he knew just how to BE a lover.

I definitely don't think Neelix intended anything malicious towards Kes; he was not abusive or violent or anything like that. Maybe a bit paranoid, but not a mustache-twirling villain. In the end I like to think that Kes forgave him for his controlling attitude.

I do think that he finally ended up in a place where he COULD fit in (which is all he ever wanted, in the end) and that his new family on that asteroid will finally bring him peace.
 
I don't hate him. He grew into a respectable crewman. I'd probably find myself in the mess hall at late hours swapping stories, comfort or advice.
 
I not only like him, I respect him. I enjoyed Ethan Phillips' performance of him. The thing i question is the need for the "Hakuna Metata" character in the first place. Neelix should have been written to be more like the Maquis - a jack of all trades, an experienced, lovable rogue, a wild card. He certainly had the backstory for it.

I think the character was right to feel threatened by Kes' indulgent acceptance of all affection of competing suitors. She was loyal, but by taking no responsibility whatsoever for those affections that Neelix was clearly observing, she did a disservice to the one person in the universe who saved her from her pollyanism tossing her to the Kazon wolves. Without him, she was dead meat, pure and simple.

The fact that he paid her gratitude with the FIERCEST loyalty of any character, Starfleet or alien - despite their obvious disparities in age and experience - only illustrates the depth of his generosity, when by rights, he could have easily become as bitter and self-serving as Soran, for what the Haakonians did to Rinax and Talax, as well as his whole family. He could have and probably should have dumped her, knowing full well she would outgrow her crush. Did he? No, he took the brunt of that pain and was anything she needed him to be. That was loyalty. That was gallantry.

In The Gift, Neelix even assured her saying he was holding her back, he could see it now. But the truth is he was letting her off the hook, yet again. He could have been angry, he could have been indifferent, but he was right there making that little girl feel good about herself again.

Neelix was a deeply tortured and maligned soul, making his irrepressible optimism all the more poignant. After all, he had only his wits to justify his billet, and not those other things that rhyme with wits, that can make any alien pollyanism or cyborg social ineptitude tolerable.

There was no better friend on that ship than Neelix:
Janeway needed control.
Chakotay told you to keep your nose clean.
Paris was a complainer
Torres was a hand biter
Seven was dysfunctional, impatient and condescending - and a "skeevy male attention" magnet
Kim wore what his mother picked out for him
Tuvok was badass but aloof
The EMH was self-centered unless you had a problem he could fix, then he "cared" about you
Kes - asked too many damned questions

Vorik - was good for a laugh but kind of goofy
Carey - was too tough
Wildman - was big sisterish
Durst - was a bantam toughie
Seska - was interesting as hell but would get your ass shot and laugh at you


No, like you say, Catarina, I believe I'd be in the mess hall after hours knocking back one or two with the Talaxian. I'd leave feeling happier and maybe a little wiser.
 
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Janeway needed control.
Chakotay told you to keep your nose clean.
Paris was a complainer
Torres was a hand biter
Seven was dysfunctional, impatient and condescending - and a "skeevy male attention" magnet
Kim wore what his mother picked out for him
Tuvok was badass but aloof
The EMH was self-centered unless you had a problem he could fix, then he "cared" about you
Kes - asked too many damned questions

Wow.Talk about your mileage may vary. Yes to some extent they did exhibit those things but those are NOT the words I would use to describe any of them.
 
Janeway needed control.
Chakotay told you to keep your nose clean.
Paris was a complainer
Torres was a hand biter
Seven was dysfunctional, impatient and condescending - and a "skeevy male attention" magnet
Kim wore what his mother picked out for him
Tuvok was badass but aloof
The EMH was self-centered unless you had a problem he could fix, then he "cared" about you
Kes - asked too many damned questions
Wow.Talk about your mileage may vary. Yes to some extent they did exhibit those things but those are NOT the words I would use to describe any of them.


Stardream, I'm not describing their whole characters. I'm describing what a one-on-one friendship with them might be like at the end of the day. ;)
 
I never really got the impression that Neelix's goofy behavior was a result of what happened to his family. But if that's your interpretation, ok.

I always liked the idea that Neelix's outward behavior is at least partly a coping mechanism to deal with being on his own at the mercy of local warlords most of his life. Kind of like the kid on the playground who avoids being bullied by stronger children by trying to be funny. A Kazon ship attacks him to steal his cargo, they are too entertained to kill him. And it certainly served him well on Voyager as it's a lot of what made the crew accept him beyond the need for having a guide. In some early episodes; Caretaker, The Cloud, Jetrel, Fair Trade; you get hints this is the case.

Just the writers thought it would be better to just have him annoy Tuvok a lot, instead of focusing more often on the more interesting sides of his character or actually making him funny.
 
I like Neelix very much--except in the early seasons. He's really unlikable in the early seasons. But for the majority of the show, where he's the weirdo with the heart of gold, I like Neelix.

I do make fun of him quite a bit. But I make fun of all my favorite characters as well.
 
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