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A $300k fan film is fine. But as others have said -- write to your budget. One of the many reasons why Renegades didn't work. One of the reasons why I'm concerned about Axanar. But I hope I'm wrong and it is successful.

Axanar, hired a Veteran Enterprise Line Producer to go through the script and come up with a budget, that's where the budget ballooned from being 800k to near 2 Million.... (Including Perks and payment processing fees).

Which means, that Axanar will at best, have the production quality of an episode of Enterprise (which is what the released vulcan scene looked like... a slightly lower quality scene from Enterprise), and not a feature film. And that's if they can raise the remaining 700K... they are asking for...
 
A $300k fan film is fine. But as others have said -- write to your budget. One of the many reasons why Renegades didn't work. One of the reasons why I'm concerned about Axanar. But I hope I'm wrong and it is successful.

Axanar, hired a Veteran Enterprise Line Producer to go through the script and come up with a budget, that's where the budget ballooned from being 800k to near 2 Million.... (Including Perks and payment processing fees).

Which means, that Axanar will at best, have the production quality of an episode of Enterprise (which is what the released vulcan scene looked like... a slightly lower quality scene from Enterprise), and not a feature film. And that's if they can raise the remaining 700K... they are asking for...

That's not strictly true because although the average cost might be about that, they aggregate across episodes and have start-up funds that means a two million episode of a long running series isn't the same as a one-off.
 
A $300k fan film is fine. But as others have said -- write to your budget. One of the many reasons why Renegades didn't work. One of the reasons why I'm concerned about Axanar. But I hope I'm wrong and it is successful.

Axanar, hired a Veteran Enterprise Line Producer to go through the script and come up with a budget, that's where the budget ballooned from being 800k to near 2 Million.... (Including Perks and payment processing fees).

Which means, that Axanar will at best, have the production quality of an episode of Enterprise (which is what the released vulcan scene looked like... a slightly lower quality scene from Enterprise), and not a feature film. And that's if they can raise the remaining 700K... they are asking for...

That's not strictly true because although the average cost might be about that, they aggregate across episodes and have start-up funds that means a two million episode of a long running series isn't the same as a one-off.

That's also why I said Best Case.... The first 660k... or MUCH of the first 660k what was raised in the last Kickstarter went to getting real estate, building out a production facility, and getting the bridge set going... I know on the last accounting I saw, which was at the opening of the Indigogo campaign, they had roughly 50K left in the bank.... (Give or take)...

So the 1.2 million that they are looking for from this indigo, I imagine is going directly into finishing the sets and and producing the film

Obviously there are a lot of other factors that will determine if we even get to see "best case".. but the amount for the current ask, is at least determined by someone who has some experience budgeting out a TV production... and that budget ask, was based on his review of the script... and not some Fan Film producer coming up with a number out of his head.....
 
Axanar, hired a Veteran Enterprise Line Producer to go through the script and come up with a budget, that's where the budget ballooned from being 800k to near 2 Million.... (Including Perks and payment processing fees).

Which means, that Axanar will at best, have the production quality of an episode of Enterprise (which is what the released vulcan scene looked like... a slightly lower quality scene from Enterprise), and not a feature film. And that's if they can raise the remaining 700K... they are asking for...

That's not strictly true because although the average cost might be about that, they aggregate across episodes and have start-up funds that means a two million episode of a long running series isn't the same as a one-off.

That's also why I said Best Case.... The first 660k... or MUCH of the first 660k what was raised in the last Kickstarter went to getting real estate, building out a production facility, and getting the bridge set going... I know on the last accounting I saw, which was at the opening of the Indigogo campaign, they had roughly 50K left in the bank.... (Give or take)...

So the 1.2 million that they are looking for from this indigo, I imagine is going directly into finishing the sets and and producing the film

Obviously there are a lot of other factors that will determine if we even get to see "best case".. but the amount for the current ask, is at least determined by someone who has some experience budgeting out a TV production... and that budget ask, was based on his review of the script... and not some Fan Film producer coming up with a number out of his head.....

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By Gabthar's Hammer..... what a savings...
 
Axanar isn't "broadcast quality." Jesus Christ.

Agreed. And while it's true, no fan film produced so far has been able to achieve "broadcast quality," I'd absolutely include Axanar in that assessment.

Shit in a fancy wrapper is still shit.

:lol: I don't know that I'd call Axanar "shit" just yet, but I also don't know that I disagree with this analogy overall, either.
 
Axanar isn't "broadcast quality." Jesus Christ.

Agreed. And while it's true, no fan film produced so far has been able to achieve "broadcast quality," I'd absolutely include Axanar in that assessment.

Ummm, so both of you are putting the phrase "broadcast quality" in quotes like Phantom made a claim to that effect about Axanar, which if you actually read his post he did not do. He said you did not need a huge budget to get a "quality" product. Not "broadcast quality." Do you notice that you're doing that?
 
Axanar isn't "broadcast quality." Jesus Christ.

Agreed. And while it's true, no fan film produced so far has been able to achieve "broadcast quality," I'd absolutely include Axanar in that assessment.

Ummm, so both of you are putting the phrase "broadcast quality" in quotes like Phantom made a claim to that effect about Axanar, which if you actually read his post he did not do. He said you did not need a huge budget to get a "quality" product. Not "broadcast quality." Do you notice that you're doing that?

It isn't necessarily what Phantom said, but it's certainly what the Axanar team means when they say Axanar isn't a "Fan Film" rather an "Independent Feature"
 
One of the two is broadcast quality. The other is not.
I'm confused. Was he comparing Coffee Talk with Linda Richman and The View?

From further back in the thread, apparently. Sorry, I guess I missed that. Might at least be worth acknowledging that he seems to have modified what he's saying since, I guess? (And maybe not so much with hilariously over-the-top bilious eruptions about "shit in a fancy wrapper" while we're at it, I guess, but one step at a time.)
 
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I think it was pretty apparent at the time in the flow of conversation what Phantom's implication was, hoisting Axanar above Renegades in his own opinion.
 
Well, to the point, since I've now stuck my foot in the puddle: Axanar is above Renegades in pretty much any reasonable opinion and that should not be a controversial statement, and I'm saying this as someone less hostile to Renegades and less determined to grade it to professional standards than many here. Like it or not, like its creator or not or the premise or not, the difference in production quality is an extremely plain fact.

I personally wouldn't call it "broadcast quality" by today's standards, but that's because we're living in a golden age of ultra-high budget television characterized by stuff like Game of Thrones and House of Cards. I'd put something like Prelude alongside most nineties televised sci-fi, though, quite easily. Even alongside more recent SyFy stuff like Dark Matter.
 
So, I realize that Gary Graham [...] I thought he was human...until the shape shifting part close to,the END. So, did I miss something? Where there clues in the movie that I missed?
Yes. He shifts right at the beginning of the movie too.
 
Huh. I was assuming that was holographic trickery provided by Doctor Lucien. So he was actually shapeshifting?
 
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