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Star Trek: Renegades

You know, people need to stop pretending like there's some big mystery as to why Axanar's budget "blew up": they went fully-pro and decided to pay people going rates for their work. Have what issues you please with fan production feuds or Peters, you're welcome to them, but these endless attempts to pretend that it's some kind of black-box money pit are nonsense.

The Axanar Kickstarter indicated they would pay the crew. The published budget, however, when compared to their Kickstarter forecasts makes it clear that the "budget bloat" has nothing to do with paying people a "going rate" (whatever that means; cast and crew aren't taking home what they'd earn from a professional production).

It's wrong to suggest that the production going over budget has anything to do with people being paid for their work.
 
It's wrong to suggest that the production going over budget has anything to do with people being paid for their work.

"Going pro" means bigger costs across the board -- like the scale of soundstage rental costs -- not just for personnel, that's true. (Also true that their paying people does not mean they're paying them huge amounts.) My bad.

Tom said:
... A flying DeLorean?? What the hell is going on here! Cue music!

:lol:
 
"Going pro" means bigger costs across the board -- like the scale of soundstage rental costs -- not just for personnel, that's true. (Also true that their paying people does not mean they're paying them huge amounts.) My bad.

Honestly, we don't really know what "going pro" means in context for Axanar? They say they're paying their people, but we know from these very boards that Terry McIntosh works for them and wasn't being paid.

Moon with a small cast and limited sets cost an estimated $5 million to make.

So I'd take their "we're paying everyone" with a grain of salt.
 
You know, people need to stop pretending like there's some big mystery as to why Axanar's budget "blew up": they went fully-pro and decided to pay people going rates for their work. Have what issues you please with fan production feuds or Peters, you're welcome to them, but these endless attempts to pretend that it's some kind of black-box money pit are nonsense.

The Axanar Kickstarter indicated they would pay the crew. The published budget, however, when compared to their Kickstarter forecasts makes it clear that the "budget bloat" has nothing to do with paying people a "going rate" (whatever that means; cast and crew aren't taking home what they'd earn from a professional production).

It's wrong to suggest that the production going over budget has anything to do with people being paid for their work.

They brought in a line producer from Enterprise who gave them the new budget figure. And that's fine, I guess, but rather than use existing sets and such to control the bloat of the budget, they moved on full bore, into what is now a production studio.

While I knew that the intent was to use the sets and such after the filming of axanar to do sci fi film camps and the like, I contributed to the film first, at least that was my expectation, now I find out that I contributed to found a production company... And the cost of the actual production will be raised in a series of fundraisers, so the film can be filmed in one act segments...

What concerns me most about the project is that multiple crowdsourcing fundraisers have always had diminishing returns. The last kickstarter raised 660k, this one still hasn't broken 500k.. Who knows what the next one will raise.. My estimate is closer to 300k... at this rate the final act will never be finished...
 
They say they're paying their people, but we know from these very boards that Terry McIntosh works for them and wasn't being paid.

Do we? All I remember him saying is that he wasn't being paid to do PR, not that he wasn't being paid in general. Maybe I'm misremembering that?
 
They say they're paying their people, but we know from these very boards that Terry McIntosh works for them and wasn't being paid.

Do we? All I remember him saying is that he wasn't being paid to do PR, not that he wasn't being paid in general. Maybe I'm misremembering that?

Pretty sure he said he wasn't being paid.
 
They say they're paying their people, but we know from these very boards that Terry McIntosh works for them and wasn't being paid.

Do we? All I remember him saying is that he wasn't being paid to do PR, not that he wasn't being paid in general. Maybe I'm misremembering that?

Pretty sure he said he wasn't being paid.

I thought once, Ares Digital is up and runningd they were going to sell that as an alternate fulfillment backend to backer kit.... And that was how he was going to get paid...
 
^^ Yeah, I did a search and I found the post you meant. I would assume that means he's just consulting for them part-time as they only said they were paying full-time staff.
 
Excuse me - we are shitting all over Renegades in this thread not axanar - the endless rehash of the axanar stuff doesn't belong here.
 
Well, I just finished my first watching of ST: Renegades.
In overall it was not bad..I would give it 3/5, an Okay albeit bit shaky start.
While I enjoyed parts of the story, in overall it was not very engaging. Some parts of the movie worked well, like the USS Archer versus Icarus stuff. I would have wanted to see more of that honestly speaking. I think the Icarus crew was interesting but I found myself bored when the action moved back to Starfleet HQ, despite the presence of veteran Trek characters there. The story should have been much more focused on the Renegades themselves. This would have given opportunity to flesh them out more.

I did not personally care much of Chekov's granddaughter, the Romulan woman or the Andorian babe. Those three seemed like a filler characters and did not really contribute anything to the plot much(and were the weakest actors also, IMHO). I hope we do not see them as regulars, because I think the crew of the Icarus is already big enough to develop characters from.
Giving more scenes to Lt. Masaru would have been good idea also, considering his part in the plot. If there will be more episodes, the writing needs approve for sure but it was not a completely disaster, because I did like some of background of the characters( the little we learned that is).

The acting was fine and most of the cast did their jobs quite well, hampered though by the sometimes weak writing I guess. I wish the cast would have been given more to work with.
I think Adrienne Wilkinson, Gary Graham and Chasty Ballesteros gave fine performances.
I found Sean Young giving a surprisingly flat performance, that came bit of an surprise to me actually:confused:

The special effects worked for the most part, especially the space battles were well made( I liked the ship designs) and some of the shots of San Fransisco were beautiful.
There were some bad effects too, like the shot of the mines at the start of the movie and the horrible shots of Starfleet Academy( just film in a real park next time or something like that maybe?).
The music was very forgettable and some of the sound effects could have been better, like the disruptors on the Klingon ships.

Sets were okay, though I did not like Chekovs office much, it looked too much like the interior of USS Archer. Shooting in some real office space with added props might have worked better maybe or at least changing the color of the re-used pieces from the yellowish to grey..to highlight it been a different location from the ship.

About the costumes then..
I did not like much the saggy SF uniforms, tighter fit would have served better. I did like the design otherwise some.
Are the cleavages really necessary? I am not puritan or anything and I do not mind women being sexy on screen..but in this case I found it mostly negatively distracting, especially on the case of Andorian woman. Not sure if the outfits add any depth to the characters in this case(and do female Betazoids always have to have boob window on Trek?)

On closing note..I hope the Renegades team will learn from its mistakes and improves to any future episodes(Making next ones in the 45 minutes format would be beneficial maybe). I would certainly like to learn more about the characters, like were the Ronara - Ichep thing is going and learn more about their pasts.
 
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I'm getting nervous now. I was really looking forward to this, I loved Of Gods and Men, and the trailers looked cool. I'm not going to totally give up though, because there is a lot of stuff I like that most people hate, like the Star Wars prequels and the Matrix and Pirates of the Carribean sequels.
I do tend to be pretty forgiving when it comes to these kinds of fan films, I'm just looking for a fun time seeing Trek vets reprising old roles, with an good story.
 
I'm getting nervous now. I was really looking forward to this, I loved Of Gods and Men, and the trailers looked cool. I'm not going to totally give up though, because there is a lot of stuff I like that most people hate, like the Star Wars prequels and the Matrix and Pirates of the Carribean sequels.
I do tend to be pretty forgiving when it comes to these kinds of fan films, I'm just looking for a fun time seeing Trek vets reprising old roles, with an good story.

I know, seeing something you're looking forward to get trashed can be pretty disheartening. I will say that if you loved Of Gods and Men and are inclined to be forgiving where fan films are concerned, I think you should probably be reasonably satisfied by Renegades. As I basically said in an earlier comment, I enjoyed Renegades a lot more than Of Gods and Men, but I really didn't care for Of Gods and Men in the first place, so take from that what you will. I get why people are judging this as harshly as they are- it was touted as being on the level of a professional pilot and falls well short of that mark. But if you just view it as a fan film, it's not all that bad.
 
^ I think the comparison to Of Gods and Men is fair. The trouble is perhaps, more than talk of "professional pilots," that I don't know if Renegades -- for all its greater technical ambition -- really managed to raise the bar from that earlier production... whereas other fan film work in the interim has been doing so. It feels like something that would have blown minds seven years ago: "Wow, that's a fan film?" But now the bar is higher than that, and ironically it seems to have left the very people who originally raised that bar behind.

(Take with a grain of salt though, it's a long time since I saw Of Gods and Men.)
 
I think you make an excellent point there, BigJake. But I also find it very difficult to divorce the whole "We're making it as a pilot to pitch to CBS" stuff from this production.

They told anyone who would listen that this was their intention from the get-go and used that bargaining chip to raise money for the production of the film. Tom was the voice of that particular charge to action on this BBS.

It's all too convenient now to distance themselves away from it since CBS (rightly) gave them a resounding "Nope!" but it's also part of the story of how this film was produced.

If, as some have suggested, we take into account and forgive a lackluster script, or a film that might suffer because of scheduling limitations of its actors, we must also take into account this marketing tool the filmmakers used when judging the final product. And in that light, Renegades disappoints, greatly.
 
Indeed it does. It was pushed as a pilot to be presented to CBS. I kept reading about it over and over again. It was a major part of their whole mission, the selling point of the planned series. So that's how I'm judging it.

That said, if I judged it solely as a fan film, I would rate it as mediocre at best. I have seen far better done with less money.
 
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