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Star Trek: Renegades

No offense to Maurice (especially because I agree with him and think he has a good eye for what makes something work) it's not as if he has an IMDB page that rings out "here is a well-sold script writer who has Emmy and Oscar nominations under his belt." Heck, I see a fan film, mostly video games, and a couple of other things I've never heard of.

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1) Maurice has been writing and updating the Fan Film Writer's Primer and the Fan Filmmaker's Primer for years. There's not a shred of advice or content in there that isn't worth reading, re-reading, and learning if you want to make a film. All the more frustrating is how readily all of that information, from the benefit of his experience in his career is so freely and readily available yet so many in the fan filmmaking world who post here curiously just ignore it.

2) Unlike many others, Maurice is also good at offering his advice and commentary without letting it devolve to unnecessary insults or an implied hostile tone.

3) As any good writer or filmmaker knows, "notes" come with the process of writing and making a film. I read the Axanar thread and I see helpful comments made and the negative reaction to those comments boggles my mind. To me (and I'm sure to Maurice, it's a tell-tale sign of a non-professional when they can't take a note in a civil fashion, whether they choose to employ it or not.

3) Speaking to his IMDB credits, I have a few points to make. a) Just because its on IMDB, doesn't mean that it's the entire body of one's work. Alec Peters would have you believe he is a professional actor, yet he only has four short films to his name. How in the world did he qualify for SAG membership if that's all he's done?

b) it's another tell-tale sign of someone inexperienced in the business to relegate the value a person can bring or the knowledge they have to draw upon solely by virtue of IMDB. Every single job is different, even if you're taking the same position. Short films, TV shows, features, web series, you learn something new each time and you grow and your experience informs the kind of job you do.

c) Emmys and Oscars are nice, but they are not the sole indicators of quality. You know who has an Oscar? Akiva Goldsman, the same guy who wrote such classics as Lost in Space and Batman & Robin. You know who else has an Oscar? John Logan, the guy who wrote Star Trek Nemesis. This isn't to say they aren't talented writers, but at some point in their career they took credit for films that were utter disasters. Likewise, writing experts and talented, brilliant writers in their own right may go their entire careers without winning any awards. Suggesting that a writer has no voice to offer any critique because there isn't a gold statue in their hand is again, another sign of someone who doesn't work in the business valuing a superficial criteria over actual evidence of skill and experience.

3) Finally, I've read Maurice's writing. From his posts here, and his actual scripts. I've been fortunate enough to see his mastery of the craft for myself and I assure you, he 100% knows what he's talking about.

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So Axanar's raised, what? $1.1 million? Renegades was $375k? I admit that a little extra fundage and paying an editor with a good eye would have made Renegades better. And I just rewatched the little clip of Axanar. It's... okay... at best. A little sloppy in the shooting but the CGI is nice. And really not that much better performances out of the Axanar cast compared to Renegades (granted, yes, half of who we've seen from Axanar was in Renegades, but...). Dialogue is stilted. Focus seemed soft.

So, yeah, not convinced. Like, at all.

Half of that 1.1 million though went into a building and a half completed bridge set....

Seriously? Aren't there like four working bridges out there in the U.S.? What a waste of money. So $600k. Yeah, I'm even less convinced. Because I imagine if they get their $2 million, they'll want to finish their bridge. Then build a Klingon bridge. Why not a starbase ops center too? Then there'll be another Kickstarter to actually make the damned movie!
 
How's about we just start an Axanar thread if people really want to bitch about Axanar? :rommie: It seems there is a Jones-ing. (Or is that a Jonesey-ing.)

And no offense to the Renegades crew, who I think will have gotten by now the message that their product is rough, I think anyone who compares anything in even just the snippets of Axanar we've seen thus far with Renegades is sniffing glue, personally. There's simply and very obviously no comparison in the level of polish. What that says about the final product nobody can know and I'm confused as to why it's even a topic here.

Campe98 said:
Seriously?

It actually looks to me like it went to rather more than just a bridge set, but I am now duly expecting someone to show up and talk about Alec Peters' fictional new car. :lol:
 
So Axanar's raised, what? $1.1 million? Renegades was $375k? I admit that a little extra fundage and paying an editor with a good eye would have made Renegades better. And I just rewatched the little clip of Axanar. It's... okay... at best. A little sloppy in the shooting but the CGI is nice. And really not that much better performances out of the Axanar cast compared to Renegades (granted, yes, half of who we've seen from Axanar was in Renegades, but...). Dialogue is stilted. Focus seemed soft.

So, yeah, not convinced. Like, at all.

Half of that 1.1 million though went into a building and a half completed bridge set....

Seriously? Aren't there like four working bridges out there in the U.S.? What a waste of money. So $600k. Yeah, I'm even less convinced. Because I imagine if they get their $2 million, they'll want to finish their bridge. Then build a Klingon bridge. Why not a starbase ops center too? Then there'll be another Kickstarter to actually make the damned movie!

They grossly underestimated their budget in the last kickstarter... They said like 800k... Then after the director left, and they got a new director, the budget blows up to 2 million.... If the budget is two million fine, but you owe a Mia culpa on why you screwed up your estimate last time.... And they should show an example of what they can do with various amounts of money.....

I wrote off the production this time, because anytime you ask questions you get half answers delivered in a less than polite fashion.... Then there is the bad blood between the EP of this production and that of another fan film production.....
 
How's about we just start an Axanar thread if people really want to bitch about Axanar? :rommie: It seems there is a Jones-ing. (Or is that a Jonesey-ing.)

And no offense to the Renegades crew, who I think will have gotten by now the message that their product is rough, I think anyone who compares anything in even just the snippets of Axanar we've seen thus far with Renegades is sniffing glue, personally. There's simply and very obviously no comparison in the level of polish. What that says about the final product nobody can know and I'm confused as to why it's even a topic here.

Campe98 said:
Seriously?

It actually looks to me like it went to rather more than just a bridge set, but I am now duly expecting someone to show up and talk about Alec Peters' fictional new car. :lol:

Oh sorry, they also hired craft services too.... ;)
 
They probably eat Dijon mustard, not regular mustard. That's how diabolical Alec Peters is. Fan-funded dijon. :evil:
 
And fancy pickles. ;)

Look, BigJake, I really don't know all the details behind Axanar or Renegades financials. So, please don't presume that everyone does. It's kind of unfair.
 
They probably eat Dijon mustard, not regular mustard. That's how diabolical Alec Peters is. Fan-funded dijon. :evil:

If they want to blow up the budget and go full on pro, fine, that's okay, BUT, they owe it to their contributors in the first kickstarter that gave, because they saw the film fully funded an apology for their short sightedness, and not hostility when people ask....

And a category level breakdown of expenses isn't necessarily transparency either....
 
Keep in mind, that based on the last kickstarter the film was to be out by now... However now, the first act doesn't even get filmed until January 2016...
 
It's kind of unfair.

The point isn't that I expect you to be an expert, it's that you're on the wonder of the Internets and have the power to check facts when people like SuperSpaceMan there start talking. It's a good idea to use it.

What was said that didn't line up with the facts. The bulk of the 660k raised in the last fundraiser on kickstarter went to a building and the bridge set, which, last I have seen while a complete circle, still lacks any and all detailing.... Yes, the expenditures can be broken down into a stage floor, big wooden doors.... Offices for the production team... But all those go back to being a building and a roughly halfway completed bridge set....
 
It's kind of unfair.

The point isn't that I expect you to be an expert, it's that you're on the wonder of the Internets and have the power to check facts when people like SuperSpaceMan there start talking. It's a good idea to use it (particularly because the behind-the-scenes feuding has led to deliberate attempts at misinformation and trolling online).

Oh, I know all about deliberate attempts at misinformation and trolling online. And its connected to the fans of Axanar in a much different way. But this is not the forum for that. Your point is most certainly taken.
 
Oh, I know all about deliberate attempts at misinformation and trolling online. And its connected to the fans of Axanar in a much different way. But this is not the forum for that.

Uh... okay. So why bring it up? :vulcan:

Never mind. Have a good one.
 
While I appreciate Karzak defending my honor (swoon! "My hero!"), I don't see how my C.V. factors into my expressing an opinion. I've never once played the credentials card here, and I won't now, because that would be "tackorama!" (to quote Mitzi in Priscilla Queen of the Desert).

In all fairness to anyone who has their IMDB page put under a microscope, whether it be me or Alec Peters or Won Ton Ton (The Dog Who Saved Hollywood), IMDB only lists certain kinds of credits, and they are inconsistent about which credits they will approve. Most short subjects don't get listed unless they are submitted to certain film festivals, and music videos generally don't qualify at all. Heck, it's even difficult to get mistakes corrected. I've tried to have IMDB remove some erroneous credits it lists for me related to Exeter (everything but Post-Production Producer), but after a half dozen attempts those are still stubbornly there.
 
The comm badges need to be changed if they go forward with more episodes. From a distance they just look like a brown circle. The brown overwhelms the silver of the arrowhead.
 
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